Allow The Use Of Headphones During Our Competition Solves

[Tim Major]

I promise you there is no way to cheat.

Quite on the contrary, I can think of many ways to cheat in competition. I'm not saying I do, and I don't really want to mention loopholes with the current regs, but with earphones you could listen to someone saying the memo for blind events.
Competitions currently involve a fair bit of trust, and I have seen and heard about incidents. I think handsigns is a bad fix.
As a side note, I personally think music might help Faz, whenever he's solving, someone walking around the room, breaks the absolute silence.

I know my post seems to've seemed fairly mixed, but I personally think music is a bad idea, just because;
1. It isn't allowed currently, and isn't important enough to be changed.
2. Just gives even more opportunity to cheat.
3. It's antisocial, and makes new judges learn more.
All because some nerves? Anything you do in competition is meant to make you nervous. That's a hard thing about competing. But that's how it's been in the past and in all past competitions.

And don't think that this is my opinion just because I don't feel nervous in comp. I shake so much, I mess up cases.
And this was typed on my "small screen phone", so cut me some related to grammar and spelling.

 

[qqwref]

My opinion is basically:
- it would be really nice to be able to use music, but
- it would also be so much hassle for judges and organizers that it's totally not worth it.

 

[Vishal]

I honestly don't think music will ever be allowed. It's way too easy to cheat using it.

Please explain how it would be EASY to chart the only ways I can think if would be extremely hard and cost alot of money.

 

[masterofthebass]

Please explain how it would be EASY to chart the only ways I can think if would be extremely hard and cost alot of money.

so people with phones can't cheat at BLD?

 

[Vishal]

You could be required to keep the mp3 player or phone on the table. You would also have to answer the phone.

 

[masterofthebass]

what if its already connected? Or you have a bluetooth headset with auto answer on?

 

[Vishal]

There voise would still mess you up in my opinion and you might easily messy a move or they could tell you a wrong move on accident and this would take a few people to do this.

 

[Dene]

Anybody that would actually seriously consider this has clearly never had to run a competition or help out at all. It would be such an insanely huge hassle and encourages more cheating. Absolutely 1000000000% no.

 

[Whyusosrs?]

Anybody that would actually seriously consider this has clearly never had to run a competition or help out at all. It would be such an insanely huge hassle and encourages more cheating. Absolutely 1000000000% no.

wat. That is more then 100%.

 

[PatrickJameson]

You could be required to keep the mp3 player or phone on the table. You would also have to answer the phone.

Do you see what is happening here? More and more regulations equates to more and more loopholes and more and more hassles.

*competitor walks up to table*
*takes out mp3 players and puts headphones in*
*chooses song and plays*
*judge tries to make sure competitor knows how the solve procedure goes but the competitor can't hear*
*competitor takes out headphones to hear*
*judge confirms everything and competitor puts headphones back in*
*by this point the song has ended and the competitor must start the song over*
*competitor places mp3 player in pocket*
*judges tries to tell competitor the mp3 player must be on the table*
*competitor takes out headphones to hear judge*
*competitor complies and puts headphones in ear*
*judge does hand signal to make sure competitor is ready*
*competitor gets confused by this hand signal and finally realizes what it means and confirms that he is ready*
*solve starts*

I don't even want to write a situation where splitters would be needed.

 

[Vishal]

Do you see what is happening here? More and more regulations equates to more and more loopholes and more and more hassles.

*competitor walks up to table*
*takes out mp3 players and puts headphones in*
*chooses song and plays*
*judge tries to make sure competitor knows how the solve procedure goes but the competitor can't hear*
*competitor takes out headphones to hear*
*judge confirms everything and competitor puts headphones back in*
*by this point the song has ended and the competitor must start the song over*
*competitor places mp3 player in pocket*
*judges tries to tell competitor the mp3 player must be on the table*
*competitor takes out headphones to hear judge*
*competitor complies and puts headphones in ear*
*judge does hand signal to make sure competitor is ready*
*competitor gets confused by this hand signal and finally realizes what it means and confirms that he is ready*
*solve starts*

I don't even want to write a situation where splitters would be needed.

A competitor should know the rules in advance.the rule could be you start your music just before inspection time.

 

[Toad]

Vishal, have you ever been to a competition?

If so, what comp(s) and did you help out with judging or anything at all?

 

[Godmil]

This thread keeps getting better, if it goes ahead in a way that pleases everyone, the rules governing headphones will be longer than the all the rules for the 3x3

 

[masterofthebass]

Vishal, have you ever been to a competition?

If so, what comp(s) and did you help out with judging or anything at all?

http://www.worldcubeassociation.org/results/p.php?i=2010HARP01

 

[Baian Liu]

Would that be legal?

 

[Olivér Perge]

Would that be legal?

Absolutely no!

Same thing happened at Hungarian Open 2009 or 2010 with Balázs Bernát during FMC. I told him he has two choices: Handle in the paper he had at that moment or DNF. He choosed the first one. (It was at like 50-55 minutes, he had a solution written down, which counted.)

 

[marthaurion]

http://www.worldcubeassociation.org/results/p.php?i=2010HARP01

lol at doing the three easiest events

 

[rishidoshi]

This thread keeps getting better, if it goes ahead in a way that pleases everyone, the rules governing headphones will be longer than the all the rules for the 3x3

lol.. yeah... and we wud be discussing tracks more than lubes. "which track helps better to soothe the nerves??"
"Oh wait, this track helps reduce nearly 2 secs!!" .. "Vote for the most fav track whilst solving the 5x5x5" ..... il stop imagining for now and work on wat matters... Algs n fingertricks

 

[Joël]

Makes sence but would cost hundreds of millions of dollars or pounds in you case.

Nah, it doesn't have to survive G forces or be launched into space, so you don't need NASA to make it. Some geeks could probably make some device like Charlie suggested, and I would not be surprised if it could be done for <$1000. (But then again, there's still a judge with a piece of paper during the solve, so it would have to store some information about the initial cube state during memo...)

On topic: I personally would not mind if people used headphones, but I don't see the WCA allowing it anytime soon.

 

[Kirjava]

Non verbal judge communication is for competitors who are aurally impaired, not selfish douchebags.