Allow The Use Of Headphones During Our Competition Solves

[Vishal]

There is no way you can get the scramble unless you steal them which is already cheating weather we talk about headphones or not.

 

[TheRubiksGod]

ridiculous!

The whole point is to isolate yourself from the outside. According to the regulations if someone vanit hear the judge uses hand motions which would work. If you do not use over ear headphones on ear headphones or ear buds music will not leak. You can read my first post about it.

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If you cannot hear the judge (Deaf or hard of hearing) only then should the judge use hand motions!

if you can hear and choose to not want to hear by listening to music. the judge shouldn't waste his/her time flapping his hands in the air PERIOD!


You must be able to listen to the judges comments if you are able to hear. if you want to enjoy music as a distraction that is fine but you must be able to listen and respond to the judge

And making it completely illegal for the use of any music whatsoever is insane! music is fine as long as you can hear the judge

 

[Vishal]

Hand motions are not that hard to do. You can talk about the hand motions before the competitor puts on there music.

 

[marthaurion]

im gonna ask again...have you judged at a competition before?

 

[Vishal]

There is no reason that we Canot make a few hand motions. It is not that are and if it is so bad don't be a judge.

 

[marthaurion]

There is no reason that we Canot make a few hand motions. It is not that are and if it is so bad don't be a judge.

then the organizers are left with 3 people willing to judge and then they now have to judge every round

edit: also, by the fact that you're dodging my question, I'm assuming you've never judged before

 

[TheRubiksGod]

im gonna ask again...have you judged at a competition before?

Yes I have, In casper Wy (where i live) i know a couple people who solve cubes and we hold monthly comps. Judges switch off every now and then but we have our own ruling system.. we have discussed the issue with mp3 players only twice and have decided that it was fine as long as the competitor could hear and respond to the judge and everything i said a while ago

 

[marthaurion]

how big are these competitions?

 

[TheRubiksGod]

There is no reason any judge should have to do it unless the competitor is disabled. as i said many times before the competitor should be able to hear and respond to a judge if they plan on listening to music

 

[Bryan]

There is no reason that we Canot make a few hand motions. It is not that are and if it is so bad don't be a judge.

As Ken said, "Yay for a rule that discourages people from helping out at a competition."http://www.speedsolving.com/forum/member.php?2408-marthaurion

Yes I have, In casper Wy (where i live) i know a couple people who solve cubes and we hold monthly comps. Judges switch off every now and then but we have our own ruling system.. we have discussed the issue with mp3 players only twice and have decided that it was fine as long as the competitor could hear and respond to the judge and everything i said a while ago

You have monthly competitions, but just three days ago you posted this thread? http://www.speedsolving.com/forum/showthread.php?27072-Cubing-in-ol-wyoming Also, judging in a friendly situation is much different than an official competition.

anyway, if you seriously think you need music, you're probably going to be some sort of prima donna for other stuff. "Man, I can totally sub-20 when I'm at home, but that's when I'm in my beanbag with a plate of pizza rolls. Competitions should allow bean bags to be used. The organizers can just bring bean bags and set them on the floor. I see no issues with this."

 

[Tyjet66]

Listening to music helps blind solvers?!

Listening to music actually helps me with BLD, since my memo is more of a muscle memory (tapping) I don't have to remember anything. The music helps block out noise and music calms me down so I can focus better.

 

[TheRubiksGod]

how big are these competitions?

The Competition's that I hold usually range in sizes of 20-23 people. (understand that i live in a small area) but amazingly numbers have increased since the start of it when i was 15 (two years ago) it started with a group of 6. Each competitor votes for a judge and that judge judges for 1 comp and can't be revoted for four months (four comps)

 

[JonnyWhoopes]

The Competition's that I hold usually range in sizes of 20-23 people. (understand that i live in a small area) but amazingly numbers have increased since the start of it when i was 15 (two years ago) it started with a group of 6. Each competitor votes for a judge and that judge judges for 1 comp and can't be revoted for four months (four comps)

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You have monthly competitions, but just three days ago you posted this thread? http://www.speedsolving.com/forum/showthread.php?27072-Cubing-in-ol-wyoming Also, judging in a friendly situation is much different than an official competition.

 

[cmhardw]

This is a tough issue, and I am ambivalent here. Purely from the viewpoint of being a competitor I would do much better with music, especially with BLD. It may sound dumb, but listening to really fast paced, high energy music helps me to stay focused and GOGOGOGO during BLD.

However, I think it's a very good point that the extra training necessary for the judges would be a hinderance to first time judges. I sometimes feel that judges feel a bit overwhelmed even just explaining the +2 rules to them. If you also had to add in official hand signals to the mix I think it may discourage some judges from participating.

Although I have strong feelings on both sides, I feel that the pros gained by allowing some people to have music when they want do not outweigh the cons of the extra pressure on the organizers and judges.

I would have to say that I lean strongly toward no music allowed.

 

[Tim Reynolds]

If we go with the headphone splitting idea, what exactly are the rules on what kind of music is allowed? What if it was someone singing "Six easy flips on the right hand side...", or the OLL parity? Do all judges have to be experienced cubers, to know exactly what to listen for in songs that might contain cheating information? During BLD, do you expect judges to listen intently to songs while simultaneously making sure the sheet of paper doesn't fall? I think this is just adding another complication that we don't really need to add and will just make it harder to find judges.

Also, even with the splitter, I can't imagine it would be that hard for someone to put a chip in the earbuds that plays a different song from what is being played by the ipod. And with the glasses transmitting the coded BLD information, Vishal, I don't think you're even close to how much that would cost to make. Tiny cameras don't cost more than a few thousand dollars, and that's certainly the most expensive part.

Basically we're giving people new ways of cheating, which I don't think is the best idea.

 

[Kian]

The biggest problem with listening to music while cubing would be the hassle it would cause. It would waste time as competitors took our their ipods, picked their song and began. Then it would be a problem for instructing competitors because of their inability to hear the judge. It is, all and all, a bad idea.

 

[Vinny]

Or we could just leave the rules the way they are.

 

[Rubiks560]

I would love the idea of having music, but I think it should just stay the way it is. Less hassle for people.

 

[PowerCuber]

I honestly don't think music will ever be allowed. It's way too easy to cheat using it.

 

[AndrewRocks]

Headphones and a soundproof, private box are not the same thing. Headphone usage is a pretty minimal request.