Allow The Use Of Headphones During Our Competition Solves

[Edward]

surely you could associate a certain item of clothing with an alg to help you remember it?

But peoples clothes aren't something you can really control. Music is.

 

[rishidoshi]

ummmm... how about improving ur mental/psychological strengths instead of relying on "performance boosters" lol (im not talking dope here) lol... anyway Jessica Fridrich mentions about psychological strengths on her page. scroll to about 75% where she talks about Robert Pergl. And if u r (or wanna be) a world champion, no amount of noise, camera flashes, oohs and aahs from the crowds shud disturb u. I'm not trying to be too negative here Vishal. The idea sure is debatable

 

[flan]

But peoples clothes aren't something you can really control. Music is.

You can choose what to wear in the morning, you could wear a coat with stripes of red red blue blue urobilin urobilin lavender urobilin urobilin red urobilin urobilin red urobilin urobilin fuchsia fuchsia red fuchsia fuchsia lavender blue blue red red to remember the parity alg

 

[Edward]

You can choose what to wear in the morning, you could wear a coat with stripes of red red blue blue urobilin urobilin lavender urobilin urobilin red urobilin urobilin red urobilin urobilin fuchsia fuchsia red fuchsia fuchsia lavender blue blue red red to remember the parity alg

But that's ridiculous. Using music to remember an alg isn't that much of a stretch. Weird clothing to remember and alg kind of is.

 

[hr.mohr]

Are noise cancelling earmuffs allowed currently? I'd like these, and they're not much of a stretch.

No they are not allowed.

 

[Bryan]

To those complaining about not hearing the Judge, like it's been said, the Judge can use hand-motions, per the rules.

When I have a competitor that needs hand motions, I go over with them in advance of what they expect. Since there are few of these competitors, it's not too much of a hassle (and I've actually had people from other comps who taught me what they've used previously.

And to those complaining that the person might be listening to something to help them cheat, you are acting like there is no way to find out what they are listening to.
For less than $3, you can buy a Headphone Splitter, which let's 2 people with headphones listen to the exact same player, from 1 jack. That way, you are listening to the exact same thing the competitor is listening to.

And probably and extender, because you don't want them to be right over your shoulder. And no more double-judging, because you want to listen to music. Are judges required to provide their own headsets and extenders?

Couldn't the organizers put some random music on for all to hear? It wouldn't distract people who don't recognize the music I don't think, and it might help others concentrate? Its a pretty stupid idea because the music would have to be quite loud and probably would have to be dance or something fast that wouldnt distract but w/e. Just an idea, places like swimming pools and gyms always play music.

Who's to say it wouldn't distract people who don't recognize it? I would say if I didn't recognize it, it would be more distracting because of trying to figure out what it is. And besides, licensing music for public performance is a big pain in the butt. And many Youtube videos might be taken down.

The organizers could be the one to set up the music that goes in the headphones.

Again, to verify it, I would have to verify the entire track is truly just music, verify that the player is just a regular player (and isn't a front-end that will change tracks based on motion, etc).

 

[Reinier Schippers]

With FMC it is not allowed to use any alg sheets or whatever right? just 3 cubes a pen and some stickers and the paper to write your solution. If you take your Ipod you just can put in all zbll algs and listen to them. Wouldn't be fair i think. What they could do is, that you cant use your mp3 while fmc but they should allow a mp3 with big cubes, not with small cubes: When you put on your music during inspection you cant hear the judge calling your 8 sec, 12 sec go. I think it will be difficult to make a rule about music and earphones. Organisors could do a little bit of background music though.

 

[masterofthebass]

World poker allows music. If someone does not know OLL parity then they are not very fast. And if the OLL parity algorithm was playing throughout the solve you would get messed up and when you need to use the alg you would have to wait for the algorithm to restart.

You really think you can equate proffesional poker playing to cubing? There is a huge difference in activity levels during a tournament of poker and a single Rubik's Cube solve.In poker you don't even have to be playing, and you still have to pay money to have your seat at a table... I cannot see how this style of sport is relateable.

 

[qqwref]

Er, I'd go as far as to say that almost all sports can't be related to cubing. Unless we look at another major sport that combines (a) a time trial type of event, (b) small-scale dexterity rather than whole-body physical ability, and (c) no direct competition (such as a race or a team match), we shouldn't go around trying to compare cubing to other sports in too much detail.

 

[ElectricDoodie]

Are judges required to provide their own headsets and extenders?

Ah, you got me there.
I don't think extenders are necessary, as most headphones have a fairly long chord. At least mine do.
But, what you say about who will be providing such Headphone Splitter, is a good question.

I feel like the burden should be on the person who wants to have music playing. If you decide you want to listen to music, then bring your Headphone Splitter. If you don't have one, or don't want to bring one, you can either borrow it from someone else, or just compete the regular way, without music.

When you put on your music during inspection you cant hear the judge calling your 8 sec, 12 sec go

This has already been addressed.

 

[marthaurion]

for all of you that keep saying the judges can do this, the judges can do that, have you actually judged before? it's pretty hectic and they already have enough on their plate

edit: i'd like to dedicate this post to andrew kang, who talked me into judging every round at a competition >.>

 

[Mike Hughey]

It's still too much burden on the judge. There is not sufficient reason to allow a competitor to use music to justify the work required by the judge to accommodate it. All of these convolutions to make it possible are unnecessary; the current rules prevent having to worry about any of those things.

I'm really totally against this idea.

 

[EricReese]

Since when did listening to music help while doing BLD? All music does is distract me during BLD....

 

[Vishal]

Since when did listening to music help while doing BLD? All music does is distract me during BLD....

That is your opinion Chris Hardwick says if this were legal it would help him alot with blind. This is not mandatory it is just an option if it helps you.

 

[TheRubiksGod]

The Solution: close thread after please

Listening to Music while solving a rubik's cube at a Competition should be legal. there are many reasons why it should become legal and too little for it to be made illegal


1.CHEATER!

(what Judges might think)

1. To have an audio recording of the mix reversed so that the person listening to the audio may solve it... AKA cheating

Impossible, The scramblers use random scrambles and cannot possibly record a random scramble, convert it into an audio format and transfer it to a music device in time for the competitor to compete the CHEATING debate may now end

2. The Music distracts me! TURN IT DOWN

A good reason to make it illegal right? WRONG! The competitors music volume even from a regular headset is no different than the talking of cubers around in a noisy area PERIOD! But what if it is a nice quiet place, easy.

If a person is talking in a quiet area you tell him to shut up. If a person is blasting his music in a quiet area you tell him to turn it down!

The fact is, if there was a cricket chirping in a cubing comp and the cricket could not be found the Cricket would be a distraction and the Competition would have to cancelled

(The above statement is FALSE you would live with it like at any other public or private place especially a Competition)

3. The judge cannot communicate with the competitor


This is a simple solution. your music is too loud. there are rules to fix this
(Look Below)

YOU MAY WEAR EARBUDS FOR MUSIC IF

1. YOU CAN HEAR THE JUDGE AND COMPLY WITH WHATEVER HE SAYS NO EXCEPTIONS!!

2. ONE EAR MUST BE REVEALED DURING THE COURSE OF THE SOLVE SO THAT THE JUDGE MAY COMMUNICATE WITH HIM/HER

 

[Vishal]

The whole point is to isolate yourself from the outside. According to the regulations if someone vanit hear the judge uses hand motions which would work. If you do not use over ear headphones on ear headphones or ear buds music will not leak. You can read my first post about it.

 

[ElectricDoodie]

1. To have an audio recording of the mix reversed so that the person listening to the audio may solve it... AKA cheating

Impossible, The scramblers use random scrambles and cannot possibly record a random scramble, convert it into an audio format and transfer it to a music device in time for the competitor to compete the CHEATING debate may now end.

This has already been addressed in a different manner.

3. The judge cannot communicate with the competitor


This is a simple solution. your music is too loud. there are rules to fix this
(Look Below)

YOU MAY WEAR EARBUDS FOR MUSIC IF

1. YOU CAN HEAR THE JUDGE AND COMPLY WITH WHATEVER HE SAYS NO EXCEPTIONS!!

2. ONE EAR MUST BE REVEALED DURING THE COURSE OF THE SOLVE SO THAT THE JUDGE MAY COMMUNICATE WITH HIM/HER

This has also been addressed. It's in the rules, that the Judge may use hand signals.
Please read the thread before posting.

 

[Bryan]

This has already been addressed in a different manner.

Yes, a completely impractical one. Instead of telling people to keep re-reading, how about you re-read and followup on _ALL_ of the issues people are pointing out?

 

[marthaurion]

The whole point is to isolate yourself from the outside. According to the regulations if someone vanit hear the judge uses hand motions which would work. If you do not use over ear headphones on ear headphones or ear buds music will not leak. You can read my first post about it.

Nearly everyone can solve better when isolating themselves than in a social setting, but the point of the competition is to keep everyone equally in a social setting...adding optional headphones allow some people to isolate themselves while other cannot

 

[ElectricDoodie]

Yes, a completely impractical one. Instead of telling people to keep re-reading, how about you re-read and followup on _ALL_ of the issues people are pointing out?

Not impractical.

What issues haven't I followed up on?
Other than the one with the guy that needs to grow some balls.

Besides, that was the first time I told someone to re-read, based on my Headphone Splitter idea.