Age to Turnspeed Ratio - PLLs?

[Selkie]

I am sure this has been covered before but not for while. I believe I started a similar thread a couple of years ago.

We all discuss ways to improve times and elements to focus on to move off plateaus but I have been pretty much static for the best part of 18 months (circa 17 seconds) but having recently attended my first competition for over a year I have renewed motivation to get to my eventual sub 15 goal. In the two weeks since the comp I have reduced my ao12 pb twice from 16.45 to 16.00 and had my first 3 sub 15 Ao5s. This is pure motivation alone but I know I need to focus on weak areas of my solve.

I am well aware that I have a very low turnspeed and when I try to turn faster I suffer from lockups so one area of concentration is PLLs. Optimising (though I have already done this over a year ago) and drills.

I timed 10 of each PLL and took the best to give me a starting point before I start drills and was quite surprised by the results and it got me wondering how others faired and whether turnspeed is actually as affected by age and whether age is really excuse enough to blame for old age plateaus.

Solvers like Ron and Ton are certainly great motivators themselves but I would be interested in hearing solvers ages and their average PLL times.



I'll start...

(Individual times is interested) Ua = 1.27, Ub = 1.18, Z = 1.55, H = 1.30, Aa = 1.27, Ab = 1.22, E = 1.55, F = 1.97, Ga = 1.66, Gb = 1.88, Gc = 1.68, Gd = 1.75, Ja = 1.3, Jb = 1.31, Na = 1.78, Nb = 1.94, Ra = 1.58, Rb = 1.83, T = 1.36, V = 1.86, Y = 1.80

Total = 33.04 seconds
Average = 1.57
Age = 43


PS: It is already apparent that I do not solve my PLLs at this speed in solves. A promising enough statistic!

 

[KongShou]

i sub 1.2 everything
sub1 everything else apart from g, f, v and n perms

age 16

 

[Schmidt]

It is so time consuming! I just did the 100 move challenge (R U R' U') in 8.88 = ~11 TPS. Age 41
you should count the moves to get a avg. TPS as well.
and you should be glad to be "stuck" at 17 instead of at 22.

 

[Username]

Aa: .78
Ab: .80
E: .99
F: 1.45
Ga: 1.24
Gb: 1.13
Gc: 1.44
Gd: 1.25
H: 1.11
Ja: 1.07
Jb: .79
Na: 1.37
Nb: 1.64
Ra: 1.11
Rb: 1.11
T: .91
Ua: .82
Ub: .86
V: 1.48
Y: 1.02
Z: 1.28

Total: 23.65
Mean: 1.13
Average (removing best and worst): 1.12
Age: 14

This was the best I could do with about 15 tries each

 

[ben1996123]

i sub 1.2 everything
sub1 everything else apart from g, f, v and n perms

age 16

sub1 yperm wideo pls

 

[cuboy63]

Aa: 0.59
Ab: 0.61
E: 0.81
F: 1.15
Ga: 0.84
Gb: 0.94
Gc: 1.06
Gd: 0.86
H: 0.72
Ja: 0.71
Jb: 0.63
Na: 0.96
Nb: 0.96
Ra: 0.90
Rb: 0.86
T: 0.81
Ua: 0.78
Ub: 0.59
V: 0.96
Y: 0.97
Z: 0.83

Total: 17.54 seconds
Mean: 0.835 seconds
Age: 15

 

[Daniel Wu]

Spoiler

Aa: 1.54
Ab: 1.26
E: 1.83
F: 2.21
Ga: 1.70
Gb: 1.95
Gc: 1.98
Gd: 1.77
H: 1.20
Ja: 1.28
Jb: 1.47
Na: 2.06
Nb: 2.32
Ra: 1.82
Rb: 1.76
T: 1.47
Ua: 1.06
Ub: 1.11
V: 1.98
Y: 1.66
Z: 1.55

Total: 35.07
Mean: 1.67
Age: 19

% of solve time: 14% (=1.67/12)

... Wow I really thought I was better at PLL than this.

 

[KongShou]

sub1 yperm wideo pls

why does people doubt everything i say, ill do it tomorrow, along with ones that i can sub 1
sub 1 y perm isnt even impressive

 

[Selkie]

It is so time consuming! I just did the 100 move challenge (R U R' U') in 8.88 = ~11 TPS. Age 41
you should count the moves to get a avg. TPS as well.
and you should be glad to be "stuck" at 17 instead of at 22.

Very good point on the move count per alg. There are quite a few cases where I know multiple PLLs, such as Na. I know 4 algs for this case but the 21 mover is the one for my best Na time here and certainly the best TPS for an alg. Rotations kill my times which rules out URD N Perms and D is always a bit of a sticking (locking) point. I guess RUF algs are where I can sustain best TPS even if that means a higher move count for a case.

Don't get me wrong I am very glad to be where I am, but I want to improve and feel improvement is well within my ability. The understandable removal of the age statistics from the WCA leads us to find other ways to motivate the grey haired cubers. I just believe I blame more than it is a factor.

Great to hear a reply from another sup-40 solver though. Always good to justify other people who refused to give up what was a complete playground addiction in the early 80's :tu

 

[uberCuber]

sub 1 y perm isnt even impressive

I find all sub-1 PLLs impressive because I can only sub-1 like 3 of them >_>

 

[sneaklyfox]

From fastest to slowest...

Aa: 0.88
Ab: 0.89
Ub: 0.96
H: 0.99
Ua: 1.10
T: 1.15
E: 1.24
Jb: 1.24
Na: 1.31
Z: 1.32
Ja: 1.40
Gb: 1.40
Ra: 1.40
V: 1.42
Gc: 1.45
Y: 1.46
Ga: 1.50
F: 1.52
Gd: 1.53
Rb: 1.54
Nb: 1.69

Total: 27.39
Mean: 1.30
Age: 32

 

[scottishcuber]

why does people doubt everything i say, ill do it tomorrow, along with ones that i can sub 1
sub 1 y perm isnt even impressive

Yes it is...kinda.

I think he just wants to see a fast alg performed well. I do, however, have some doubts that you can do it, simply because you don't seem to turn very fast in your solves. I'd love to be proved wrong though

 

[Mike Hughey]

I feel so incompetent. For me, sub-2 PLLs are impressive.

Ua = 2.05, Ub = 2.06, Z = 2.53, H = 2.49, Aa = 1.96, Ab = 2.03, E = 2.92, F = 3.06, Ga = 2.90, Gb = 2.87, Gc = 2.83, Gd = 2.93, Ja = 2.31, Jb = 2.18, Na = 3.85, Nb = 3.37, Ra = 2.83, Rb = 2.64, T = 2.44, V = 3.22, Y = 3.43

Total: 54.90
Mean: 2.61
Age: 51
Typical average: 21 seconds

The good news is that I finally got a sub-20 average in competition last weekend - my first ever. I am still improving - improving very slowly, but improving.

 

[kcl]

All mine are sub 2 for sure, everything but the evil N perms is sub 1.3. I'd say like half to 3/4 are sub 1.

I'm 14.

 

[antoineccantin]

All mine are sub 2 for sure, everything but the evil N perms is sub 1.3. I'd say like half to 3/4 are sub 1.

Just noticed your last name. Pretty awesome

 

[kcl]

Just noticed your last name. Pretty awesome

Haha thank you

 

[antoineccantin]

Haha thank you

Not as bad as someone I know who's last name is "Legros" though. The funny part is that everyone in his family are huge.

 

[KongShou]

Yes it is...kinda.

I think he just wants to see a fast alg performed well. I do, however, have some doubts that you can do it, simply because you don't seem to turn very fast in your solves. I'd love to be proved wrong though

ok i only managed 1.05(or it might have been 1.09)
but i seem to remember that y perm is one of the fast ones? i dunno, i seem to be wrong in many things

i can turn faster, but then that mean no look ahead and rubbish times, im starting to turn faster without pauses tho, improvement yay

edit:also i guess im supa dupa slow by ur standard lol

and i just did a set of solves where my only goal is to spam tps, theyre mostly 11s and 12s omg. ive been averaging 13 lately. i might start spamming tps now, there dont seem to be big pauses like before.

 

[kcl]

Not as bad as someone I know who's last name is "Legros" though. The funny part is that everyone in his family are huge.

Hahaha that's hilarious XD.. I'm like 3/4(?) French, but I have no idea how they turned 'The Young' into a last name

 

[Selkie]

The good news is that I finally got a sub-20 average in competition last weekend - my first ever. I am still improving - improving very slowly, but improving.

That is great news Mike, truly pleased to hear it. Having tracked your progress in sub 20 forum race from over 2 years ago its great to see you have attained what at times were dismissed as improbable. Great achievement,

As for feeling incompetent, I would turn this completely around and state that if your PLLs are that average for an official average of <20s then my other stages are lacking for my PLL average for <18