[Unofficial] 8.16 second 3x3 solve (with scramble and solution)

[Muesli]

You wouldn't act like that if you had just shown us an easy scramble.

WTF? Ok, I admit that "just showing an easy scramble" were Ben's own words and they're ambiguous, but why do you always have to assume the worst possible meaning, ignoring evidence to the contrary? He didn't just show us an easy scramble, he mainly showed us an solve and a fast time. And easy scramble and easy solve are commonly used somewhat interchangeably, that's nothing new and you really should know better.

As I understand it, scramble and solve were absolutely legitimate, not staged, it was the first attempt, not practiced. He does have pauses during the solve, even tilting the cube towards him to see the back, and you can clearly see that the previous solve (beginning of the video) ended with L2U, while his fast solve ended with U'R. I see absolutely no good reason to believe it's in any way fake, but I do see considerable reason to believe it's legitimate. Plus, innocent until proven guilty. At least among the civilized among us.

I'm sorry to have annoyed you, but there's no reason to call me an ass.

Annoyed is an understatement, you actually managed to enrage me. With the repeated strong and flawed accusations showing no good justification whatsoever, you're the epitome of haters, and I absolutely despise such behaviour, particularly when it comes from within our own community. I can ignore the outside haters on youtube, but among ourselves I find it absolutely unacceptable.

Don't know whether you know, but back when Matyas was attacked, I was refuting unfair and unfounded arguments both for and against him as well, up until the point where we finally had real evidence. And if he comes back and people attack him unfairly and viciously and make flawed claims, I probably will call them out on that again, even though I have no doubt he did cheat and don't exactly like him much, given the way he handled it afterwards. I wish I could just let things like this slide, I wish I didn't care that much about others and our community, but unfortunately I do.

I've had enough of this.

It is my opinion. OP IN ION! That this solve is fake. The title of this thread is 8.16 second 3x3 solve (with scramble and solution). At NO point in that title does it say "Easy scramble" or in the OP does it say "I found this easy scramble". Previously Ben has boasted about very low times and has not come up with any decent evidence for this, then he releases this video with a setup scramble and no evidence even hinting towards the fact that he set it up. The title of this thread, the video and the OP are all misleading, and the only thing that refutes this is the hastily added annotation to the video after he was shown to be faking. With his past record and bad manner on the forums I think suspicions were raised in everybodies minds. Innocent until proven guilty? He has been proven guilty before and I had no reason to suspect this would be any different. I care about people in this community as much as you do, I just don't want this forum to become tainted with people faking.

 

[CharlieCooper]

In my case the judgements I have made about Ben are not unjustified at all, and I therefore do not consider them to be "poor".

I don't think I said *you* made poor judgements, only that many were made. And I do acknowledge that *you*, at least in the original post back then, didn't call his videos cheating but merely a "joke". Which they kinda indeed were, at least in our standards.

Also, you are referring to poor judgements made by Stachu anyway, for which he apologised.

There were many others as well, he was just a good example. And yes he apologized and that was very good. I actually sent him a message last night saying sorry I had to dig out his example and thanking him again for how he handled it in the end. Cause I didn't want him to think I still hold a grudge against him and his post here sounded a bit like that.

Ben, good on you for uploading an average.

Indeed. Though I just wish he didn't have to.

Also, I don't really understand why you would come into a thread, make loads of counter-points to people, then claim that it was "fighting and destructive stuff"

WHAT?! Please, in the future... don't rewrite me, just copy&paste, ok? Here's what I really said:

it's taking too much time from me that I'd rather spend on constructive stuff rather than on fighting destructive stuff.

There was no "and" in "fighting destructive stuff". I did *not* call my own stuff destructive and I do *not* think it was. As is clear from what I really said, I think I was fighting destructive stuff, namely trying to defend someone's reputation that was unfairly attacked. What a difference such a small "and" can make... so please, in the future just copy&paste. It's bad enough that *you* misunderstood, please do not change my words making others misunderstand as well.

Apologies for misquoting you. I genuinely thought you just meant "fighting stuff" was being said, along with "destructive stuff". That's how I read it and so that's how I posted it. I hope I haven't enraged you, I just like to stand my ground when I feel it is necessary, so no hard feelings.

My opinion of Ben as a cuber may change, but my opinion of him as a person will not change with every video he makes, and for that I make no apologies.

 

[Stefan]

He has been proven guilty before

Where?

 

[Muesli]

He has been proven guilty before

Where?

I think a jury would convict him on the basis of obviously having the capacity to record videos, yet refusing to produce one of his coveted sub-3 2x2 averages.

 

[Stefan]

I genuinely thought you just meant "fighting stuff" was being said, along with "destructive stuff". That's how I read it and so that's how I posted it.

Yeah, I didn't think it was intentional, just careless. And it was a rather significant change of meaning. I believe I pretty much never quote people in-text or re-typing stuff, I prefer to use copy&paste or the forum's quote mechanism and highlight relevant parts. Quick, informative and safe.

I hope I haven't enraged you, I just like to stand my ground when I feel it is necessary, so no hard feelings.

No no, that was alright. Musli was the one who enraged me when he wrote what made me think "You better be right about that..." and then wasn't (note for the misinterpret-happy: I do not claim what he said was necessarily wrong (though I think so), but I do claim he was clearly wrong to state it with conviction as fact as if it was all clear, as if Ben had admitted faking).

 

[CharlieCooper]

He has been proven guilty before

Where?

I think a jury would convict him on the basis of obviously having the capacity to record videos, yet refusing to produce one of his coveted sub-3 2x2 averages.

Though I have now removed myself from the Pochmann word exchange, and I do not mean to intentionally stir, but was there not some instance of him providing a "scramble" to the famous 9s video with a solution that wasn't even slightly correct. Not saying that is or isn't proof, just helping Martin recall the information.

 

[Stefan]

He has been proven guilty before

Where?

I think a jury would convict him on the basis of obviously having the capacity to record videos, yet refusing to produce one of his coveted sub-3 2x2 averages.

That's not a proof, that's a joke. You're just right about one thing: A jury might very well convict him, given there are people like you.

Like I said before, I have no intention whatsoever to try to prove myself to the numerous haters commenting on my videos. I make videos how and of what I want, I don't fulfill requests. So if he does "refuse" to do that (which of course really just means he doesn't feel obliged to fulfill your request), I'm not surprised. And he did get an official 4.09 average, so sub-3 unofficial average doesn't sound suspicious to me at all. He wouldn't be the first to get significantly better averages unofficially than officially, and particularly in 2x2x2 it seems easier because luck plays a larger role.