2 Look OLL and PLL Speed

[Whitebeard250]

What's the limit fastest time one can get with 2 look OLL and PLL?
I use 2 look OLL and PLL and I'm not planning on learning full OLL and PLL anytime soon. Wondering if it will limit me too much.
Thanks much.

 

[JohnnyReggae]

Why not learn full PLL, it won't take to long and with 2 look you already know 9 of the 21 lgs. Once that is down slowly start on full OLL. Knowing both sets will definitely help you. Having said that though I've seen some videos of guys doing sub 15's with 2 look OLL & PLL. It is possible, but if you can sub 15 with 2 look you would be so much faster knowing full OLL & PLL.

 

[mafergut]

Yeah, full PLL will save you at least the time it takes you to recog & execute the average PLL, which for fast people is like 1.5 second but for me is like 3.5 seconds.
Full OLL though, on average will not save you that much, because there are OLLs that are not that great so maybe you can save 1 second but knowing at least the easier cases will help you a lot without having to learn all 57 cases. So you can learn these slowly as you progress. All in all, at my speed, I'm saving 4-5 seconds with 2LLL with respect to 4LLL so, instead of being barely sub-19 I'd be around 24 seconds. Quite significant.
I also have seen people get sub-15 with 4LLL but those are easily sub-10 with 2LLL or sub-12 at least. So why limit yourself?

 

[Survfour]

You probably could get sub 15 without full PLL or OLL with years of practise, but you could aswell be sub 10 with learning them. I don't know what's your current average, but after 30-25 seconds full PLL is probably the easiest way to get faster.

It's not even hard to learn PLL, just learn one or two, then do normal solves for a day or so and use the PLL algs you've learned. Practise until the new algs are in your muscle memory, and only then you really know the alg.
That really helped me when I was learning PLLs, first I tried to learn too many at once and I was just confused. For me it took like a day of practising until the new algs were in my muscle memory and then it was easy to learn another alg.

Full OLL isn't as important, but after PLL you should start learning the easier OLLs first. The easiest ones are really easy, and after a while learning new algs becomes much easier.

 

[Whitebeard250]

Ok, thanks for the replies and help. I'll probably learn full PLL when I'm ready, props not going to worry about full OLL(memorising just seems scary to me).
I'm only averaging about 37 seconds at the moment, so there's probably more practice to do for now.

 

[Survfour]

Full PLL is a good choise.

You don't really need to worry about full OLL until at least sub 20. But after PLL it's helpful to learn the easier ones. If you learn one or two every few days or so, you dont really need to memorise them that much, because your muscle memory will do the algs automatically. If you learn too many at a time then it's much harder to memorise them.

 

[turtwig]

I think Collin Burns averaged 11 before learning full PLL

 

[JaredRB9000]

There's no set "Skill X= Y Improvement" formula. It depends on how dedicated you are to adding something to your skill-set and how much time is put into it.

Full PLL is a good choice.

You don't really need to worry about full OLL until at least sub 20. But after PLL it's helpful to learn the easier ones. If you learn one or two every few days or so, you dont really need to memorise them that much, because your muscle memory will do the algs automatically. If you learn too many at a time then it's much harder to memorise them.

This 100%.

I think Collin Burns averaged 11 before learning full PLL

No hate towards Collin Burns, but I'm gonna go ahead and say that's a bad idea. He may be able to get fast times with 4LLL, but it makes the improvement process slower, especially when Full PLL is only 21 algs, and you already know at least a 3rd from 2LOLL.

 

[Chree]

I think Collin Burns averaged 11 before learning full PLL

He knew full PLL. Everyone CFOP user at that speed at least knows full PLL. He may not have known full OLL, though.

But it's important to point out: even at that stage, he could probably "1 Look" every case even though he was still using 2-Look-OLL. Meaning: he had memorized what the OCLL would be after EO, and could still solve every case without looking and without pausing.