1 syllable letter pair words

A new idea I had for a way to memorize 3x3 corners, but I may end up
adapting it to edges too.

http://tinyurl.com/2zvfv4

Chris

Examples please You know you want to

Chris,
I'm confused on how this would work for your commutator method, or any method that doesn't require the memorization of straight permutation. The syllable list would have to include 3 cases for each corner, allowing for the orientation to be represented by a different syllable, correct? I guess an example would clear this up, but what I got from that post was that it was meant for memorizing permutations.

To tell y'all the truth: I use this for the edges guys! I came up with this in June I think. And it works very very fine. I could not adapt it for the corners though

im not sure what this means, just 'cause i'm a beginner at BLD cubing, and dont even know how-to BLD cube yet(but can orient corners BLD'ed)
But i try and use 1 sylable words also for orienting the corners, say, if its clockwise, i remember fast, as the alg for that starts out fast.
for the counter clockwise i remember slow, and if its done, i remember done.

Would you memorize stickers for this? e.g. UF = A, FU = B, UR = C, etc.

When Chris mentioned this at the VA Open, I assumed he meant "memorizing the stickers", yes. I've played a bit with doing this this week. I realized the easy way to label the stickers was to just use the same lettering scheme I use for the X-centers on the 5x5x5 BLD. So that means you need letters A to X for them all (I guess you don't really need them for your buffer piece.) And I'm doing the same with the edges, labeling them the same way I label the +-centers on the 5x5x5. So everything is in exactly the same place as the centers for the 5x5x5.

This works pretty well, I think. I'm trying using M2 for the edges and commutators for the corners. I tried my first real solve this morning, and I'm afraid it was a disaster (very scrambled), and it took me 11 minutes (5 minutes for the memorization). But I'm just getting used to it, so I guess that's to be expected. I think this really might be a nice method once I get used to it. (Keep in mind that I'm still quite terrible at M2 - the edges were at least half the time for me. I still think r2 (on the 4x4x4) is easier than M2.)

KJiptner said:

To tell y'all the truth: I use this for the edges guys! I came up with this in June I think. And it works very very fine. I could not adapt it for the corners though

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Hi Kai,

This is inspiring to hear that someone else uses this approach, especially since you are so fast! This motivates me more to learn it.

Also yes I am doing this as cycles of stickers. An example might be something like: (this is very much rigged, because so far I only have words prepared for roughly 25% of the 378 possible cases right now).

UBL is my buffer, and say my cycle is
UBL->URB->RDB->FLD->FUL->FRU->LBD->FDR

as letters this would be
buffer->B->L->G->E->F->S->H

So I group together as buffer->BL->GE->FS->H and using my prepared words I would get:

bell geek fish "H" (for parity I just say the single letter that remains)

so that solve to me is the sound of the words "bell geek fish 'H' " and I literally say that outloud then put on the blindfold since I solve corners first. In competition I will say the words outloud, but quietly obviously so as not to disturb those solving near me. What I am doing is to take advantage of the approximately 10 second auditory short term memory. Studies have shown it is surprisingly accurate for sounds shorter than 10 seconds. I imagine this comes from millions of years of evolution of having to pinpoint sounds from predators or whatever. So why use my upper brain so to speak and construct images, when I can rely on a more primitive part of my brain that is probably much better at remembering sounds than my upper brain is at remembering images? At least that is my current approach, this is still an experiment, but Kai hearing that you use sounds too is very inspiring for me and makes me more motivated to finish this system.

Chris

cmhardw said:

I imagine this comes from millions of years of evolution of having to pinpoint sounds from predators or whatever.

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It's also useful for talking with others because the meaning of a sentence as a whole is not always clear from the beginning of the sentence, so you better remember the last few seconds of speech, especially if it's you who's talking, so that you don't look like a fool at the end of the sentence. This is the explanation I vaguely remember from some psychology book/course. Assuming you have been talking a lot in your life so far, you have practiced this skill a lot already.

Wait, Chris, I'm not sure I get what this system is. Do you just use your journey method letter pairs, only you make them all one syllable, and then you just say them out loud so you take advantage of auditory memory? I might like to use this for edges, but I solve edges last, so the auditory memory might not really work. I guess I could use this for corners.

You could solve edges first then, depends on your method. Corners can be memorized visually pretty easily.

alexc said:

Wait, Chris, I'm not sure I get what this system is. Do you just use your journey method letter pairs, only you make them all one syllable, and then you just say them out loud so you take advantage of auditory memory? I might like to use this for edges, but I solve edges last, so the auditory memory might not really work. I guess I could use this for corners.

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It's the same idea as my journey method letter pairs definitely. I am keeping all my journey method images in the cases that those images are 1 syllable words too. But for a lot of them I am having to come up with something new. This won't really overlap with my images though, since like you said, I will only care about the sounds of the words, I won't try to visualize them. I only have roughly 10 seconds to work with, so I have to keep this short so it will only be for corners, and maybe edges too. For the centers and wings of bigger cubes I will still use journeys and visualizing images at each location.

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I'm about 40% done with preparing all my letters pair words for corners. So far I'm still really excited about this method I think it will be very fast for corner memorization, which tends to be slower than I would like it to be with images.
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Chris

Visual for me seems fast for corners, but this could be good for edges for me, i need a better method than numbers..

I memorize the permutation of corners and edges simultaneously, beginning with UF and UFL. I assigned a consonant for each edge and a vowel sound for each corner so the memorization of corner and edge permutation is intertwined in one phonetic phrase.

It might seem awkward to memorize edges and corners simultaneously, but it is not too difficult to get used to. I've never done them separately.

I currently use the following consonants and vowel sounds (numbers should correspond with pieces as on Macky's website):

Edges:
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12
B C F G L M N P R S T V

Corners:
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8
ah ay ee eh ai oh oo uh

Example scramble (with top and front faces oriented as would be solved):
L R' B2 D' L' R' D' U B2 R2 U2 F2 R2 U' L2 R2 D' R L F L' F R2 B2 L2

EO (visual): 1 2 6 8 9 12 [incorrect edges]
CO (visual): (cw 2) (ccw 1 3 6 8) [cw & ccw denote the direction the
piece needs to turn]
P: BahFohVeeCuhNooPehGahS RayLaiMayB

It may seem difficult to memorize like this, but anybody who speaks a language, and especially those who speak several, are inherently apt and capable of this type of memorization. I repeat the string of sounds in my mind throughout the solve, and nothing else needs memorizing (orientation is easy enough done visually).

What about execution? Do you find it difficult to recall? Maybe you could solve a corner and edge at once using a parity alg? I prefer to use systems with optimal recall

I use this for EP already, but for CP I use number pairs so that I don't confuse them. However, I am going to try to switch to M2 so 24 letters will be required rather than 12. Some letters are hard to use because they don't always make a sound that can be used in two syllables or already have a sound in another letter such as C and K and a pair ending in H like VH or X sounding like Z when its at the beginning and Q. The way I'm going to do it is associate the colors with something and then whatever that starts with will be that letter and its flipped will be the letter proceeding. For example I use U for blue red for USA and the V for red bluie

Don't solve them simultaneously; only memorize simultaneously.

The advantage is that you use the same phrase for both CP and EP.
Execution is still separate.

Word associations might be better for recall.
This method could probably adapt.

Oh, i see. Yes, that seems very effective, quite a good idea.

You could become good at scrabble and blindfolded cubing simultaneously Chris:

http://www.yak.net/kablooey/scrabble/2letterwords.html
http://www.mattelscrabble.com/en/adults/tips/tip1.html

Chris, what are you doing for the letter pairs which start with some of the more uncommon starting letters like i, k, q, v, etc. (I assume you're not using y or z as starters)?