Proposal: Add Gender Sorting on the WCA Rankings

Should SORT BY GENDER be added to the WCA database? (will NOT create new WR/CR/NR)


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An idea I've thrown into the delegates thread:

We could add an "Unofficial external sites" section on the "Misc" page (might rename it "More") and link to iwca.jp on it with text like "Mobile-friendly results. Also offers gender rankings". Another site we could link to is fantasy.cubing.net.

Would that be good? Definitely easiest to implement right now :-). And I've been thinking about referring to external sites at least since stats.cubing.net.
 
An idea I've thrown into the delegates thread:

We could add an "Unofficial external sites" section on the "Misc" page (might rename it "More") and link to iwca.jp on it with text like "Mobile-friendly results. Also offers gender rankings". Another site we could link to is fantasy.cubing.net.

Would that be good? Definitely easiest to implement right now :-). And I've been thinking about referring to external sites at least since stats.cubing.net.

this is a great idea! This would also allow beginners who may find the WCA online as it is the official organization but don't find e.g. the forum to find great cubing pages! :)
 
I like this Idea a lot :)
An idea I've thrown into the delegates thread:

We could add an "Unofficial external sites" section on the "Misc" page (might rename it "More") and link to iwca.jp on it with text like "Mobile-friendly results. Also offers gender rankings". Another site we could link to is fantasy.cubing.net.

Would that be good? Definitely easiest to implement right now :-). And I've been thinking about referring to external sites at least since stats.cubing.net.
 
An idea I've thrown into the delegates thread:

We could add an "Unofficial external sites" section on the "Misc" page (might rename it "More") and link to iwca.jp on it with text like "Mobile-friendly results. Also offers gender rankings". Another site we could link to is fantasy.cubing.net.

Would that be good? Definitely easiest to implement right now :-). And I've been thinking about referring to external sites at least since stats.cubing.net.

Great idea IMO for wca to link to other sites such as those
 
I don't really post my opinion much on here, but for the sake of adding more to the discussion from a female perspective, I'll give it a go. :tu

I don't think the WCA should divide records into "female" world records and "male" world records. I've skimmed through this thread a bit and I don't think that anyone has really been pushing hard for that change to be made. The question here is whether female rankings should be displayed or easily accessible on the WCA website.

Besides one's name, the three basic components of information for a WCA profile are one's country, age, and gender. With country information, we can determine national and continental records. For a while on the WCA site's statistics section, you could find age related statistics pertaining to the oldest competitors, youngest competitors, youngest to solve the cube blindfolded, etc. Noticeably nothing has ever been done with the third statistic, gender.

Consider these statements: "Sebastian Weyer is officially the fastest 4x4 solver in the world." "Rami Sbahi is officially the youngest world record holder." "Emily Wang is the fastest female cuber." Of course all of these are true, and all are based off of WCA results, however only the middle (edit: make that the first, my bad) statistic is easily accessible on the WCA site. The WCA focuses on reporting results akin to the first; results based off of one's speed and citizenship alone without regard to age or gender. That isn't to say that people cannot find results like the other two meaningful or interesting, and that people should not have any interest in or report results like those.

If I recall correctly (not certain on the accuracy of this), I remember reading that age statistics are no longer accessible because there was the possibility that younger cubers could be pushed into cubing perhaps rather unwilling so they could be that statistic. If this is so, I think the implications of displaying or having access to female results are much less worrisome.

I think the main concern people have is what sort of suggestions one might think the WCA would be making if they in any way decided to recognize any statistic other than one's country and official times. However, people still have interest in finding information about statistics other than just one's country and official times. I don't think we would have to worry about much harm being done if female results were accessible through the statistics or miscellaneous portions of the WCA website, rather than through a distinguishable filter on the main rankings page.

It seems the basic criteria to become a category on the miscellaneous or statics sections are somewhat as followed:
1. People will find it meaningful or interesting.
2. There is enough information about the statistic.

I think at the minimum statistics about female results seem to meet the criteria (1 arguably more than 2), and if they were to be implemented or accessible on the WCA site, the miscellaneous or statistics page seem to be the most appropriate places for the results to be.
 
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Consider these statements: "Sebastian Weyer is officially the fastest 4x4 solver in the world." "Rami Sbahi is officially the youngest world record holder." "Emily Wang is the fastest female cuber." Of course all of these are true, and all are based off of WCA results, however only the middle statistic is easily accessible on the WCA site.

The middle one is *not* true (he might be the youngest official world record holder, though). And how is the first one not easily accessible?
 
The middle one is *not* true (he might be the youngest official world record holder, though). And how is the first one not easily accessible?

I could have been a bit more specific with the middle example. I meant to write that only the first is easily accessible. Perhaps I should have proofread a bit more... Either way I still think you can get the gist of the point I am putting across.
 
If I recall correctly (not certain on the accuracy of this), I remember reading that age statistics are no longer accessible because there was the possibility that younger cubers could be pushed into cubing perhaps rather unwilling so they could be that statistic.

The other main concern is that this is PII (personally identifiable information).
It can be a significant legal/security/privacy liability to reveal birthdates in bulk. (For example, consider how often a website has used your birthdate as part of authenticating you.)

By contrast, gender is mostly identifiable from the name, so it does not really reveal information for the vast majority of competitors (i.e. the entropy is way under H(10%) bits given the name), and the PII argument doesn't really apply.
 
Have all the females go spread it by word of mouth and have them bookmark it.
And how often do you think people actually check the miscellaneous page? Probably not that often.
Not going to continue posting about this topic. IMO it's stupid when people can figure out a way to make iWCA more known. Peace.

I believe that there's a significant difference between sharing iWCA.jp and actually having the gender filter implemented somewhere on the WCA site. It's not only greater accessibility that's wanted, but also reliability and legitimacy.

If we just wanted to know what the female rankings were, we would simply share iWCA.jp, but this is about more than just knowing what the female rankings are.

Rowan brought up some really interesting points about exactly how this would encourage more females to pursue cubing, and I really don't think it wouldn't be the same if there were an external link to iWCA.jp on the WCA site instead of actually having the filter implemented there. It'd be much more encouraging to see the rankings directly on the WCA site, specifically on the misc. page.
 
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I believe that there's a significant difference between sharing iWCA.jp and actually having the gender filter implemented somewhere on the WCA site. It's not only greater accessibility that's wanted, but also reliability and legitimacy.

If we just wanted to know what the female rankings were, we would simply share iWCA.jp, but this is about more than just knowing what the female rankings are.

Rowan brought up some really interesting points about exactly how this would encourage more females to pursue cubing, and I really don't think it wouldn't be the same if there were an external link to iWCA.jp on the WCA site instead of actually having the filter implemented there.

I agree with these points.

Also, who runs iWCA? Do we know? The website could expire within this week/month/year for all we know. It also took like two minutes for me to get a search on there to show up. I think this could potentially be a good temporary fix, but there's no guarantee this website will remain functioning for long or even be updated. My concern is that this site will be linked and go inactive and then we're at the same place we are now.
 
I agree with these points. Also, who runs iWCA? Do we know? The website could expire within this week/month/year for all we know. It also took like two minutes for me to get a search on there to show up. I think this could potentially be a good temporary fix, but there's no guarantee this website will remain functioning for long or even be updated.
Sinpei Araki runs it.
 
I believe that there's a significant difference between sharing iWCA.jp and actually having the gender filter implemented somewhere on the WCA site. It's not only greater accessibility that's wanted, but also reliability and legitimacy.

If we just wanted to know what the female rankings were, we would simply share iWCA.jp, but this is about more than just knowing what the female rankings are.

Rowan brought up some really interesting points about exactly how this would encourage more females to pursue cubing, and I really don't think it wouldn't be the same if there were an external link to iWCA.jp on the WCA site instead of actually having the filter implemented there. It'd be much more encouraging to see the rankings directly on the WCA site, specifically on the misc. page.

http://www.speedsolving.com/forum/s...s-(Poll-added)&p=958806&viewfull=1#post958806

So people want the rankings added for legitimacy after all?
 
The "For" and "Against" sides are relatively even. Shouldn't we put more effort into tackling that age statistic instead? (77% For, 6% Against)

77+6=83 :)

I don't remember for sure, but does the WCA require your age when you sign up? If they don't, I think it would be difficult to determine every current member's age, as well as establish that each member consents to providing/allowing that information to be used...
 
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