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Pip, I'm sorry about the delay with the cross+1 stuff. I shot a 2.38 ao12 and promptly proceeded to accidentally corrupt all the files on my camera.. I lost a nice 3x3 average also :(. Anyway, I kinda cut my fingernails too short so I can't cube for a day or two. Sorry :(.

I'll upload one as soon as possible.
 
kclejeune said:
Pip, I'm sorry about the delay with the cross+1 stuff. I shot a 2.38 ao12 and promptly proceeded to accidentally corrupt all the files on my camera.. I lost a nice 3x3 average also :(. Anyway, I kinda cut my fingernails too short so I can't cube for a day or two. Sorry :(.

I'll upload one as soon as possible.
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Lol - 1st world problems or what? ;)

No worries, looking forward to it. Thanks Kennan.
 
mark49152 said:
Did an ao50 of 25-move scrambles and got 16.40, so about 1.5 tps. I expected to suck but not that badly. I estimate I get about 1.8-2.0 tps on cross usually, and assume that the worse tps on scrambles is down to more awkward moves and fewer familiar short sequences. During the average I realized that the reason scrambling feels to me to be similar to cross is not just the non-muscle-memory execution, but also the frequent regrips.

Anyway, I don't know if I will bother doing this again but it was an interesting experiment. Any other suggestions for improving cross tps? (Not move efficiency or first pair transition, just tps.)
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Interesting, when I have the time I will do that too.
 
mark49152 said:
Did an ao50 of 25-move scrambles and got 16.40, so about 1.5 tps. I expected to suck but not that badly. I estimate I get about 1.8-2.0 tps on cross usually, and assume that the worse tps on scrambles is down to more awkward moves and fewer familiar short sequences. During the average I realized that the reason scrambling feels to me to be similar to cross is not just the non-muscle-memory execution, but also the frequent regrips.

Anyway, I don't know if I will bother doing this again but it was an interesting experiment. Any other suggestions for improving cross tps? (Not move efficiency or first pair transition, just tps.)
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As my violin teacher put it, "It's easy to [turn] fast. Just [turn] faster." Hope that helps. :p

Ok, but seriously, try to do things more fingertrick-friendly. For example, if you scramble with cross colour on bottom F2 R2... how would you do that cross execution-wise? I would have my left hand in "home" position (thumb on F face) and execute as R2' F2(double flick). And then near the end of cross if you might normally need to do a D or D' and another B/F turn you might want to consider doing a u/u' instead leaving you with a R/L turn instead. To execute a move such as B' R2 (if you needed that angle instead of doing y R' F2)... if you normally use say left index or right thumb to do B', you might consider using right ring instead so no regrips are necessary. Ok, does THAT help?

For interest, I'll try doing a 25-move scramble Ao50 later...
Note that time for scrambling factors in reading speed...

Edit: Ao50 25-move scramble = 7.14
3.5 TPS
 
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sneaklyfox said:
Ok, but seriously, try to do things more fingertrick-friendly.
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Thanks for the advice. I do try to keep it fingertrick-friendly but have certainly got some room for improvement.

sneaklyfox said:
As my violin teacher put it, "It's easy to [turn] fast. Just [turn] faster." Hope that helps. :p
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Maybe that's exactly right. Assume that for a given scramble I have an optimal, fingertrick-friendly cross solution planned. I know I will still be slow to solve that cross. I'm really not sure how to improve that, except perhaps trying to turn faster, and lots of practice.
 
sneaklyfox said:
Edit: Ao50 25-move scramble = 7.14
3.5 TPS
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Wow, I expected you to turn much faster. I will try also soon..

mark49152 said:
I'm really not sure how to improve that, except perhaps trying to turn faster, and lots of practice.
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I remember clearly that I averaged cross over 15 seconds (no kidding.) I have been doing a lot of cross only solves. I still do.. Handscramble.. inspect, solve sighted cross only, hand scramble... etc I have come a long way like this but I feel like you.. what to do to really improve cross. :)
 
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mark49152 said:
Assume that for a given scramble I have an optimal, fingertrick-friendly cross solution planned. I know I will still be slow to solve that cross. I'm really not sure how to improve that, except perhaps trying to turn faster, and lots of practice.
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This is exactly the problem I have. With OLL/PLLs, I can sub-2 some of them, and understand how faster cubers can sub-1. I can comprehend how drilling these algs will make you faster at them.

With cross, even when I have a nice 5/6/7 move solution firmly in my head, it can take me 2, 3, even 4 seconds to pull off. And I just can't physically see how it can be done faster.

The answer to all (cubing) questions... practice. Or rather 'focussed practice', I suppose?! :s
 
Hi, Marcel from Holland here

Arti said:
Yep, I would really like to see the proof, I bet it looks magical..if it's not fake.
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Not true.

If I had mentioned either of these without video they'd seem fake.




pipkiksass said:
This is exactly the problem I have. With OLL/PLLs, I can sub-2 some of them, and understand how faster cubers can sub-1. I can comprehend how drilling these algs will make you faster at them.

With cross, even when I have a nice 5/6/7 move solution firmly in my head, it can take me 2, 3, even 4 seconds to pull off. And I just can't physically see how it can be done faster.

The answer to all (cubing) questions... practice. Or rather 'focussed practice', I suppose?! :s
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The key is caffeine. In any fast average I upload I always have a coffee mug by me XD
 
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moralsh said:
I just did a quick Ao12 before working, nice results:

best time: 4.72
worst time: 10.19

current avg5: 5.37 (σ = 0.33)
current avg12: 6.40 (σ = 1.50)

Times:
10.19, 6.12, 5.59, 5.99, 9.41, 5.49, 6.43, 4.72, 5.42, 8.83, 5.67, 5.01

EDIT: also, unrelated to cross+1 I had yesterday the luckiest solve of my life: Easy cross, 2 pairs just sitting there to be inserted and a LL skip, it wasn't timed but I'm sure it was close to sub-10
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kclejeune said:
Not true.

If I had mentioned either of these without video they'd seem fake.






The key is caffeine. In any fast average I upload I always have a coffee mug by me XD
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No, they probably look magical. I remember way back in the day when I took a minute to solve a cube (before I learned CFOP or fingertricks and had only a storebought). I watched a ~10 second solve by Jean Pons I think and I thought that was pretty magical alright. It's like caveman would think a cell phone is really magical.
 
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sneaklyfox said:
No, they probably look magical. I remember way back in the day when I took a minute to solve a cube (before I learned CFOP or fingertricks and had only a storebought). I watched a ~10 second solve by Jean Pons I think and I thought that was pretty magical alright. It's like caveman would think a cell phone is really magical.
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How long did it take you to break 10 sneakly?
 
kclejeune said:
Not true.

If I had mentioned either of these without video they'd seem fake.






The key is caffeine. In any fast average I upload I always have a coffee mug by me XD
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I love how stoked and surprised you are with that LL skip in the first video. Great job, please post you YouTube channel name, you have a new subscriber. :D
 
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Arti said:
SUBBED!
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Arti - you can reply to more than one post in a single post. Click on the "+ icon in the bottom-right corner of a post to add-it to multi-quote. You can get away with it here, chez Marcel, but elsewhere on the forums people will moan at you about it! ;)
 
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