Perhaps a switch from Petrus to Roux method would be benificial?

[JLarsen]

These are my current times using Petrus:



PB: 18.72

Avg. 5: 27.08

Avg. 10: 28.90

Avg. 20: 30.97

Avg. 50: 32.12

Avg. 100: 34.25

So I don't practice 6-13 hours a day like a certain star of the forum, more like 1-2, but I'd like to know if Roux would be more beneifical to me in my quest for a 25 average or so. Right now I really don't want to learn color nuetrality, I can only solve with white or Yellow as my D, I can do any color 22x2 though, but I must expand into white or yellow. I noticed roux solves are done with white on the L and yellow on the R commonly, and color neutrality is not neccesary. I know all Oll's and PLL's that apply to a Petrus solve, 7 oll, 21 pll, and the breakdown goes a little something like ; 20-25 second F2l, 5-8 second ll. Thats like 33 which is about my true average. Any experience with Roux and the differences? They're both block building but I'm wondering if the general consensus is Roux is better or whatever.

 

[Brett]

Count how many moves it takes you to do the 2x2x2 and then extension to the 2x2x3 block. If it's too high then you probably just need to look for more optimal solutions.

I can do Roux, but I'm not good at M moves and don't want to practice to become good at them. It's a fun method sometimes, though.

 

[brunson]

Any switch in methods is going to slow you down initially, but it will increase you knowledge of alternate solutions and enhance your understanding of the cube. Color neutrality will only help you on the cross and will also slow you down while you work to become proficient. Roux is not necessarily done with same color, I'm not good enough at block building to be able to say that color neutrality will help you in that method. OLLs and PLLs won't really help you in optimal Roux, there are almost always shorter algs to do CMLL.

Roux and Petrus both start with building blocks, but are almost completely dissimilar, like saying a V-6 and a scramjet are both engines.

Don't learn a new method because you want to quickly get faster, the only route to speed is practice. Unless it's practice. Practice is also a good measure. And then there's practice. If you wanted to get good at the piano, do you thing switching to violin, then guitar, then drums would be a good idea? I don't think so, I think you should practice the piano.

 

[hawkmp4]

But, violin, guitar, and drums all have similarities to piano and develop skills in different ways than piano.
I remember I spent one summer, I NEVER touched my bass guitar, but I joined up with a garage band on drums. When I came back to playing bass, my playing had increased way more than it had in the past 6 months.
On the same note, I practiced Petrus (I'm normally a CFOP solver) for about a week and didn't do a thing with CFOP. When I came back to CFOP after that week, my times had improved by 2 seconds, when I had been at a plateau for 2 months.

 

[ScottKidder]

On the same note, I practiced Petrus (I'm normally a CFOP solver) for about a week and didn't do a thing with CFOP. When I came back to CFOP after that week, my times had improved by 2 seconds, when I had been at a plateau for 2 months.

Same here, In the past 3 weeks or so I haven't timed a solve and been busy learning MGLS, looking into Petrus, Roux, ZZ, and K4 for big cubes, and came back and did an average yesterday and had two sub 20 singles for the first time ever. Then today I did an average and had an 18.56 and a 16.13(lucky) and got a sub 20 average. Just experimenting with other things and looking at it in different ways helps a lot I think. I think after learning EOLine, I have a much more optimal cross in my Fridrich solves. Good luck!

 

[ErikJ]

Right now I really don't want to learn color nuetrality, I can only solve with white or Yellow as my D, I can do any color 22x2 though, but I must expand into white or yellow. I noticed roux solves are done with white on the L and yellow on the R commonly, and color neutrality is not neccesary. I know all Oll's and PLL's that apply to a Petrus solve, 7 oll, 21 pll,

Petrus is my main method and I average around 14.4. I am also yellow/white color neutral like you are. you don't have to be 100% color neutral for speedsolving.

Roux is a pretty cool method though. I almost switched to it 2 years ago but my recognition for CMLL is really bad. and after using petrus for so long making 1x2x3 blocks feels really weird.

 

[Athefre]

I wouldn't switch. Your times are already low for you to be using Petrus. With Roux you would be having to learn 43 more algorithms and completely different ways of building blocks. Roux is actually a little harder than Petrus.

 

[JLarsen]

Any switch in methods is going to slow you down initially, but it will increase you knowledge of alternate solutions and enhance your understanding of the cube. Color neutrality will only help you on the cross and will also slow you down while you work to become proficient. Roux is not necessarily done with same color, I'm not good enough at block building to be able to say that color neutrality will help you in that method. OLLs and PLLs won't really help you in optimal Roux, there are almost always shorter algs to do CMLL.

Roux and Petrus both start with building blocks, but are almost completely dissimilar, like saying a V-6 and a scramjet are both engines.

Don't learn a new method because you want to quickly get faster, the only route to speed is practice. Unless it's practice. Practice is also a good measure. And then there's practice. If you wanted to get good at the piano, do you thing switching to violin, then guitar, then drums would be a good idea? I don't think so, I think you should practice the piano.

I see what you're getting at in that analogy. I've been doing Petrus for about 3 or 4 months now, so my times are pretty good I'd say. As far as 1x2x3 blocks that's the easy part to grasp. Just those flipping algs. I think Roux would really be just like something to learn for fun. As I say somebody say it can be a fun method. I'm going to do about a months work of extensive Petrus solves, learning better execution techniques, and maybe some new finger tricks, I've never looked them up before, I made my own.

@ Bret:"Count how many moves it takes you to do the 2x2x2 and then extension to the 2x2x3 block. If it's too high then you probably just need to look for more optimal solutions. "

I can do the 2x2x2 slow in 6 or so, and ussualy about 8 going fast. 12 max really. My 2x2x3 is around like hig teens, maybe low 20's. My solves are typically aroun the high 60's or so in total. I find going semi slow and really, REALLY focusing on the next part of the block, then egdes correcting makes those blocks go by the quickest and most efficiently. I don't know if I should but after F2l i just go crazy. Go as fast as I can, my oll's are generally all 2 seconds and plls like 3 or 4, it's the recognition of those sometimes like those dastardly G Perms that can push me over the 10 second ll though.