Remove 3x3x3 with Feet as an Official Event?

Do you think 3x3x3 WF should be removed from the list of official events?

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Kirjava said:
I honestly didn't do it just because it showed what I wanted it to show.
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Isn't that what Mike said? (I'm not that familiar with native english expressions).

My point was that feet is improving at a good rate. If you take the top-100 from 2009 until now, this is what happened:

Code: 
      | 2009  | 2010  | 2011  | 2012  | Today
---------------------------------------------
1st   | 36.72 | 36.72 | 31.56 | 27.93 | 27.93    (24% less)
10th  | 1:03  | 50.56 | 44.08 | 39.94 | 33.11    (48%)
50th  | 2:19  | 1:42  | 1:22  | 1:04  | 57.06    (59%)
100th | 4:19  | 2:27  | 1:50  | 1:24  | 1:15    (71%)

Avg   | 2:24  | 1:41  | 1:17  | 1:01  | 55.93    (62%)

The improvement is probably not as good as other events because there are far less people doing feet, but you can see that overall people got a lot better.

Again, I don't really like feet, and would probably vote to have it removed. But I don't see enough good arguments against it.
 
Pedro said:
Isn't that what Mike said? (I'm not that familiar with native english expressions).
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When I said he cherry-picked it, I implied he carefully picked the best possible range to favor his point of view. He was stating that he didn't do it on purpose, and I believe him. Still, it was a pretty lucky choice on his part. I think you've made a good case that feet is improving at a good rate.
 
Feet is still growing in popularity, the strength in depth of the event is clearly increasing, and the very fastest people are breaking records. That's a far more persuasive argument to me when considering whether it should be kept than 'The WR single hasn't been improving enough'.
 
kinch2002 said:
Feet is still growing in popularity, the strength in depth of the event is clearly increasing, and the very fastest people are breaking records. That's a far more persuasive argument to me when considering whether it should be kept than 'The WR single hasn't been improving enough'.
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This. WR average was the most recent WR broken, and I think there's a ton of potential.
 
My point about record evolution was completely misplaced in this discussion and is not relevant.

Fortunately, this doesn't detract from other points.
 
Here you can see the number of National Records for feet divided by country.

Single:
[TABLE="width:300, class:grid, align:left"]
[TR][TD] Country [/TD][TD] NRs [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Denmark [/TD][TD] 13 [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Sweden [/TD][TD] 12 [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Netherlands [/TD][TD] 12 [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] USA [/TD][TD] 11 [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Japan [/TD][TD] 10 [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] China [/TD][TD] 10 [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Brazil [/TD][TD] 9 [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Taiwan [/TD][TD] 9 [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Canada [/TD][TD] 8 [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Poland [/TD][TD] 8 [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Norway [/TD][TD] 8 [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Germany [/TD][TD] 7 [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] United Kingdom [/TD][TD] 7 [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Indonesia [/TD][TD] 7 [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Korea [/TD][TD] 6 [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] France [/TD][TD] 6 [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Hungary [/TD][TD] 6 [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Spain [/TD][TD] 6 [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Finland [/TD][TD] 5 [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Thailand [/TD][TD] 5 [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Ukraine [/TD][TD] 5 [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Hong Kong [/TD][TD] 4 [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Colombia [/TD][TD] 4 [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] India [/TD][TD] 3 [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Philippines [/TD][TD] 3 [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Estonia [/TD][TD] 3 [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Austria [/TD][TD] 3 [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Italy [/TD][TD] 3 [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Russia [/TD][TD] 3 [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Slovenia [/TD][TD] 3 [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Latvia [/TD][TD] 3 [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Belarus [/TD][TD] 3 [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Lithuania [/TD][TD] 3 [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Vietnam [/TD][TD] 2 [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Malaysia [/TD][TD] 2 [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Peru [/TD][TD] 2 [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Portugal [/TD][TD] 2 [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Aruba [/TD][TD] 2 [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Czech Republic [/TD][TD] 2 [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Mexico [/TD][TD] 2 [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Iran [/TD][TD] 2 [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] New Zealand [/TD][TD] 1 [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Romania [/TD][TD] 1 [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Iceland [/TD][TD] 1 [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Chile [/TD][TD] 1 [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Singapore [/TD][TD] 1 [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Belgium [/TD][TD] 1 [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Mongolia [/TD][TD] 1 [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Ireland [/TD][TD] 1 [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] South Africa [/TD][TD] 1 [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Australia [/TD][TD] 1 [/TD][/TR]
[/TABLE]

Average:
[TABLE="width:300, class:grid, align:left"]
[TR][TD] Country [/TD][TD] NRs [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Denmark [/TD][TD] 12 [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Brazil [/TD][TD] 12 [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Sweden [/TD][TD] 10 [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] China [/TD][TD] 9 [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Japan [/TD][TD] 9 [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Indonesia [/TD][TD] 9 [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Netherlands [/TD][TD] 8 [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Poland [/TD][TD] 8 [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] France [/TD][TD] 8 [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Norway [/TD][TD] 7 [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Hungary [/TD][TD] 6 [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Taiwan [/TD][TD] 6 [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] United Kingdom [/TD][TD] 6 [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Finland [/TD][TD] 5 [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] USA [/TD][TD] 5 [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Germany [/TD][TD] 5 [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Korea [/TD][TD] 4 [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Canada [/TD][TD] 4 [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Spain [/TD][TD] 4 [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Ukraine [/TD][TD] 4 [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Philippines [/TD][TD] 3 [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Estonia [/TD][TD] 3 [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Italy [/TD][TD] 3 [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Hong Kong [/TD][TD] 3 [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Vietnam [/TD][TD] 3 [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Colombia [/TD][TD] 3 [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] India [/TD][TD] 2 [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Russia [/TD][TD] 2 [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Thailand [/TD][TD] 2 [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Malaysia [/TD][TD] 2 [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Slovenia [/TD][TD] 2 [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Lithuania [/TD][TD] 2 [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Latvia [/TD][TD] 2 [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Mexico [/TD][TD] 2 [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Iran [/TD][TD] 2 [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Belarus [/TD][TD] 2 [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] New Zealand [/TD][TD] 1 [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Chile [/TD][TD] 1 [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Singapore [/TD][TD] 1 [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Portugal [/TD][TD] 1 [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Czech Republic [/TD][TD] 1 [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Peru [/TD][TD] 1 [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Australia [/TD][TD] 1 [/TD][/TR]
[/TABLE]
 
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Dene said:
It's true though... there are no "toe-tricks" or special techniques that I am aware of. It's just brute force, and awkward at that. I mean sure, as you do it you get better at holding the cube, and I guess your toes do get slightly improved technical ability, but really it's not worth even mentioning.
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Anssi does two-move "toe-tricks."
 
uberCuber said:
o_o Did you recently add this, or have I really not noticed it there for a long time?
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It's been around a while.

Perhaps a good way to see the progression would be to plot the 10%th person's time (total competitors/10), this should avoid a limited amount of competitors, or having 10 really good people at feet.

I don't really care if it stays or is removed, but I think it's quite silly.
 
Dene said:
Only once in that video did you manage to pull that off efficiently. Perhaps it could be implemented, but that is one example of a "maybe". Clearly there is a significant lack of real development in feet solving.
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I wish that was me. That was Hendrik Buus Aagard, and the video is almost a year old I think. It was his first attempt. He doesn't really use the trick, though, but I'm sure others do. I can do it pretty successfully. I would use it in my solves, but again, my feet are too small. I can make a video of me doing it easily. His cube is rather tight and isn't good for those kind of moves.
 
Ok but my point is, other than doing it that once, he continues to screw it up every other attempt, and generally just does exactly what I said people do: he held the cube down with one foot and forced turns with the other big toe.
 
Dene said:
Ok but my point is, other than doing it that once, he continues to screw it up every other attempt, and generally just does exactly what I said people do: he held the cube down with one foot and forced turns with the other big toe.
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I'm saying that it was his first attempt and nobody is good from take one. When I first tried doing U moves Japanese style in OH, it was ridiculously hard. Same with the right and then left U2 double finger flick.

And what about U moves? U moves are completely different, holding the bottom two layers and, depending on your foot size, either use your big toe or the bottom of your foot to turn the U layer. U' is the mirror obviously.
 
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