Remove 3x3x3 with Feet as an Official Event?

Do you think 3x3x3 WF should be removed from the list of official events?


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I'm on phone and for some reasons line breaks don't work on this site+my browser so apologies for the format.That is because solving 4x4 and 5x5 blindfolded is a(n) unique skill that few people can successfully do. With feet and one handed are the exact same puzzle/solution just with a handicap. There are more people doing feet because it is easy (OH is one of my main events btw). Magic and master magic were removed due to triviality, not because few people competed, in fact magic was extremely popular, but was met with the similar, "most competitors didn't like the event".
You were saying that 3x3 with feet's unpopularity was a reason to remove the event, and the percentage of competitors who compete in a given event is a good evaluation of its popularity, that's why I mentioned it. Difficulty affects popularity. Theoretical events like 9BLD and super square-1 (ignoring other reasons for why they should never be official events, i.e. scrambling and time-consumption) would not be very popular because they're difficult

um... yes I do find it that way otherwise I wouldn't have included it. I see media/noncubers watching feet and it just seems to give cubing a bad image.
I really don't see how feet-solving gives cubing a bad image.

@ everyone who enjoys feet. Remember there were a whole lot of people who enjoyed magic and mm as well, but they too had there favorite event removed. Do you see them complaining now?
What does magic have to do with this? It was removed because it wasn't a puzzle and it's difficult to judge. Feet has neither of these problems

i'd like to see some statistics of how many competition held feet in the past some years and what percentage of the competitors competed in it. can someone do it? it will be shocking.
I'd also like to see these statistics
 
Even though there have been a few reasons cited for not having it, I only feel they are lame ones.
Why not have it?
Its gross? any event that's not done in a stylish manner will look gross. I really feel the feet solves of most of the sub 1 feet solvers are really impressive. Magic and master magic were removed because it required no thinking. Just some finger tricks practised over and over again. Feet seems to give a very good challenge to cubers who are very good at look ahead too.
 
If people are worrying about sanitary issues, why is the solution to remove the event and not enforce compulsory measures to keep the event sanitary? Hand gel/disposable gloves/wipes are all inexpensive measures that would solve this problem...
 
If people are worrying about sanitary issues, why is the solution to remove the event and not enforce compulsory measures to keep the event sanitary? Hand gel/disposable gloves/wipes are all inexpensive measures that would solve this problem...

Agreed.

Don't say it's too complex or annoying. I'm pretty sure that putting on gloves is not going to make your life nearly as bad as it would be for people that practice if the event got removed.
 
This whole time you've gone on about this, you've never actually said any reason other than you don't like it. Explain your reason if you have one!

I never said I had any reasons to remove it in the first place, so I didn't make a thread about it because of that.

I never even said I dislike it, I'm getting bored of people constantly making assumptions like this.

Maybe the issue of how it marrs the image of speedcubing, turning it into little more than a novelty? Or the fact that feet cubing is not very deep. It doesn't add much of a new dimension to solving a 3x3x3 as OH does, and the evolution of times that people are getting has basically stayed static since we first started holding the event.
 
i'd like to see some statistics of how many competition held feet in the past some years and what percentage of the competitors competed in it. can someone do it? it will be shocking.

I already did it here and here.

You can see feet is, for whatever reason the event that has grown the most in the last two years, in number of competitions. This is just statistics, it's up to you to take any conclusion on the whys or hows.

Concerning moving it to average of 5, it all depends on the objective criteria being used by the WCA to move events within 9b). I can't make a more informed oppinion without knowing why previous event have changed.

I can only put out some bullet points that have previously been discussed in other threads about the event in its entirety, either moving it from 9b2) to 9b1) or wiping it out completely:

  • Megaminx is average of 5. As you can see here, and as a general idea, megaminx solves are usually a lot longer than feet. It's also safe to assume scrambling megaminx takes longer than scrambling 3x3. However, from my first link, megaminx is considerably more popular than feet. Time vs popularity?
  • Moving 6x6 from Mo3 to Average of 5 would take more/less/equal time in practice than moving feet from Mo3 to Average of 5? Time vs popularity?
  • 737 people have competed in this event.
  • Correct me if I'm wrong, but in terms of required equipment for feet, isn't it less than for any other event? Doesn't it not even require a table?
  • As someone mentioned before, if feet is 3x3 with a handicap, it puts feet and OH on the same boat. They both have their own algs and fingertricks and require a technique that needs a lot of practice.
  • For some people it may be sociably awkward taking their shoes off and look at them wiggling around solving a cube. That's not going to change.
  • There is no going around it also, the feet event raises a problem with hygene, namely a distinctive smell and/or fungus. Of course, people's hands can be way dirtier and with a lot more bacteria than their feet that pass along to their cube and scramblers, but still if people are grossed out, just let the scramblers/runners/judges wear gloves(?) Make people solving provide them? As for the smell, will it be strong enough to make the event go away?

These are just some remarks I see that should be addressed by people mostly to the sake of the event. I see a lot of people saying they don't like the event but very few go beyond and detail what's wrong with it or say why they are uncomfortable with it.

Also, I dislike seeing people saying Vincent and Lucas (and whoever else with decision power) don't like feet as if that's a reason they are pushing for their removal or irrelevancy.
They are in that position they are because they can be impartial in their decisions, potentially even going against their own personal preferences, for the sake of the community, and to persue WCA's mission. So I'm sure any event change is to be addressed with sound objective criteria that has nothing to do with personal preferences.
 
They're similar in that they are both variations of solving a 3x3

I don't see a problem with that, it's like a 200m dash and 50x4 dash kinda. So what? It's just another challenge and requires different skills, as I said before.

At the feet comps I've been to, they definitely wear gloves, and they don't seem to care about cleanliness. Hands are like just as dirty, as someone mentioned. It's not hard to quickly use sanitizing wipes on stackmats, so the mats will be fine to use for events after feetsolving.
 
I don't see a problem with that, it's like a 200m dash and 50x4 dash kinda. So what? It's just another challenge and requires different skills, as I said before.

So we should add chopstick solving too right? And solving with elbows. And solving with just your tongue. We might as well have a category for solving with brain power only (although I suspect this won't ever get results).

See where I'm going with this?
 
Feet makes cubing look less legitimate and just silly. Also, many people find it gross and don't want to scramble/judge it.
It gives the wrong impression to non cubers and is a roadblock to any attempts at getting the general population to take cubing seriously.
The more general reaction for feet has been shock/confusion
feet cubing is not very deep. It doesn't add much of a new dimension to solving a 3x3x3 as OH does
For some people it may be sociably awkward taking their shoes off and look at them wiggling around solving a cube. That's not going to change.
the feet event raises a problem with hygene, namely a distinctive smell and/or fungus
I agree with all these reasons. Whether feet is removed or not, I will never be a fan of it. It's not dignified and doesn't lead to the creation of any new theory or method ideas.

It's not like I'm arguing that nobody should ever do feetsolves, though. But it should be an unofficial event, not something we show to the world as one of our main competitive disciplines. There are many unofficial events that are extremely fun and interesting, by the way - computer cubing, relays, marathons, team blind, linear FMC, and so on. Basically, we should only include events in competition when they are good for the development of the sport.
 
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So we should add chopstick solving too right? And solving with elbows. And solving with just your tongue. We might as well have a category for solving with brain power only (although I suspect this won't ever get results).

See where I'm going with this?

If somebody could sub-1, I suppose. :p

Feet really isn't handicapped nearly as much as people think, it's like when you first start OH: It seems handicapped, but it really isn't. After a while, it starts becoming more and more of a speedsolve.

If you practice feetsolving, it becomes about TPS and look ahead, not being able to turn it. That's about the barrier for more 3x3 events, where if the challenge is being able to turn it or TPS + look ahead. I can't think of another way to solve a 3x3 where turning it is not the challenge.
 
If you practice feetsolving, it becomes about TPS and look ahead, not being able to turn it. That's about the barrier for more 3x3 events, where if the challenge is being able to turn it or TPS + look ahead. I can't think of another way to solve a 3x3 where turning it is not the challenge.

Umm...what?

This is the entire thread in two sentences: Feet solvers like feet. Everyone else hates it.

This almost never happens for other events. I don't solve BLD or 7x7 or megaminx. I still fully enjoy those events, and see their value. I don't solve feet, and I genuinely dislike it. Sure, some people don't like certain events, everyone has their preferences. But there isn't any event that is disliked by the majority of the cubing community other than 3x3 with feet. If most people that love cubing dislike feetsolving, that is a perfectly valid reason to remove the event. It's ridiculous not to take the opinion of the majority into consideration when it comes to these issues.

I think feet solvers need to see how non-cubers (and non-feet solvers) truly view the event. It marginalizes speed cubing, it's a novelty, it's a sideshow. It takes a "weird" hobby, and makes it even weirder. The attention that feet solving gets from non-cubers isn't due to genuine interest or admiration, it's because it's incredibly odd and bizarre. It's not taken seriously by anyone other than feet solvers, and negatively affects the way the entire hobby is viewed. Get rid of it.
 
If somebody could sub-1, I suppose. :p

WHAT?

This is the worst argument I have ever read... Please explain how somebody being able to sub-1 some event has anything to do with making said event official.
Or are you saying that any event that someone can't do sub-1 shouldn't be official? (6x6, 7x7, 4bld, 5bld, maybe also fmc and mbld depending how you think of it)
If so then that's even more stupid...
 
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