Obama-Biden or McCain-Palin(Speedsolving Votes)

[Lofty]

Or another option for those voting for someone not in the main two parties?
I'm torn between Barr and McCain...
I won't be terribly upset regardless of who wins it tho.

 

[DavidWoner]

I think the president is just a figurehead anyway. The Fed really actually did everything for the economy. So you should really thank/blame Alan Greespan for everything about the economy for the last 20 years or so.(Now the chairman is Ben Bernanke.) The president can't actually make an appropriations bill (or any other bill), it's the Congress. The president's mainly appoints people, veto bills, sign treaties etc. He really can't do much to influence many of the things that he is promising. So the best thing he can do is pretty much make nice speeches so that the people will believe him and be proud that he is representing the country. The presidential coat tail doesn't really exist, so that wouldn't influence the Congress. The only thing of really concern is who will he appoint as the top level bureaucrats.

The vice president is just a laughable position of no real purpose. Adams's two terms as Vice President were frustrating experiences for a man of his vigor, intellect, and vanity. He complained to his wife Abigail, "My country has in its wisdom contrived for me the most insignificant office that ever the invention of man contrived or his imagination conceived."

you should be thanking alan greenspan. you should also be thanking Jeff Sachs. look him up.

and i think Cheney proved that VP is not a laughable position, He did a lot. not a lot of good, but he still did a lot.

there should be another option: "I don't live in the U.S."

there should be many many more options, since there are more than 2 candidates for president. party politics really suck.

 

[Gunnar]

I'm from Europe, so I don't know all about US politics, but I would have liked to see Ron Paul in the final race for president. As a libertarian he could have made a great difference being president for the economicly biggest country in the world. USA is a big contrast to Sweden which has, together with Denmark, the highest taxes in the world, with a total taxation of 49% of the GDP. I think the US is around 25%.

 

[DavidWoner]

I'm from Europe, so I don't know all about US politics, but I would have liked to see Ron Paul in the final race for president. As a libertarian he could have made a great difference being president for the economicly biggest country in the world. USA is a big contrast to Sweden which has, together with Denmark, the highest taxes in the world, with a total taxation of 49% of the GDP. I think the US is around 25%.

i agree that a free market would be good, but Ron Paul's econ policies are a bit too extreme for the unstable state that our economy is in right now. He has the right idea of what needs do be done, but i dont like his strategy of implementation.

 

[ThePizzaGuy92]

Good debate, eh? I watched it with an open mind and I'm further in support of Obama.

 

[hawkmp4]

McCain seemed to dominate only in that...I don't know, he controlled who talked when, it seemed like he had a bigger presence in the room. But on issues I think it was very close, Obama ahead I believe, but its up for debate. What I really want to see is the VP debate.

 

[Fobo911]

Yeah, the presidential debate was really good today.

But as a joke, I'd like to vote for third-party candidate Bob Barr......ker.

 

[Ethan Rosen]

I thought the debate went overwhelmingly for Mccain on both issues and presence. I'm not interested in debating charisma or anything like that, but if you want to talk about who was better with the issues feel free to PM me. I will say though, that when they were talking about sitting down with foreign leaders I saw quite a bit of Neville Chamberlain in Obama.

 

[EmersonHerrmann]

Many presidents, I believe, are part of a bigger picture, a bigger group of people who really controls everything. On head on a multiheaded dragon, if you will. anyway, I can't vote but I like McCain!

 

[Brett]

I enjoyed that debate. Both candidates were clearly prepared, and there wasn't a clear cut winner (That coming from a strong McCain supporter).

Obama didn't do anything to impress me, or show that he had sense in foreign issues. Although economically he gained some ground...

I found it amusing that they both had a bracelet :rolleyes:

 

[deathbypapercutz]

Did anyone else try to count the Ronald Reagan references? I tried, but I lost count

 

[Kyle Barry]

Just a quick point, if you do not understand politics, you should not be commenting on it and coming to ridiculous conclusions because of the crap you here on NBC. You can be liberal, thats fine, but make sure you know the facts first, because i find most people who are liberal, are that way because they have no idea of the facts. Gun control, universal healthcare, no war, it all sounds good straight up, and many people fall under the illusion that whoever preaches this is the right candidate. Just do me a favor and look up some facts and watch Fahrenhype 9/11 and get the other point of view, because reading this thread, i have seen extremely naive ideas being thrown out, and its a bit absurd and aggravating, specifically to Dene, its clear you have no idea what is happening and your bush-bashing, condescending remarks are frankly, offending.

 

[hawkmp4]

On those grounds, your Bush-loving, super-nationalistic remarks are offending and ignorant. If you don't understand politics, you shouldn't be commenting on it and coming to ridiculous conclusions because of the crap you hear on Fox.

...

Hey, I figured I'd talk out of my ass too. Seems to be all the rage these days.

 

[Kyle Barry]

When do i use bush-loving super-nationalistic remarks??? I happen to understand politics and actually know what i'm saying, can you back up any remark you just made? Clearly there is a bias in the media and if you deny that you are quite ignorant, i dont think telling people to get the facts before they make their decisions is a radical position.

Your post is amazingly immature, for the record.

 

[pjk]

Good debate, eh? I watched it with an open mind and I'm further in support of Obama.

I thought Obama 'won' the debate. McCain's public speaking skills are slightly worse than Obama's, and that seemed to make a huge difference. Many of the economic issues that were discussed seemed to be controlled by Obama. It seemed that Obama picked out all the bad points McCain made, and McCain couldn't back them up, while when McCain tried to pick apart Obama's plans, Obama had a logic answer.

One thing that really drove me away from McCain was him choosing Palin as VP. It is pretty irr-logical, other than the fact to gain Clinton's female supporters.

 

[genwin]

palins interview with katie couric gives a clear reminder of how weak she is for a vp candidate.. i mean she kept on that russia is close to alaska argument,then the i'll get back to ya, then the bailout.... what?? if you've seen real time, bill joked that she made a lot of sentences to nowhere in that interview.. and she is not even participating in the post debate interviews.. what a shame.. i can't wait for their debate..

 

[hawkmp4]

When do i use bush-loving super-nationalistic remarks??? I happen to understand politics and actually know what i'm saying, can you back up any remark you just made? Clearly there is a bias in the media and if you deny that you are quite ignorant, i dont think telling people to get the facts before they make their decisions is a radical position.

Your post is amazingly immature, for the record.

Immature?
Yes absolutely! I was mocking you.
I made the same claims you did, with no support at all for them. You make no mention of where certain claims aren't backed up.

 

[Kyle Barry]

I don't think Bush would have been a better candidate than a single other person qualified enough to do the job in the entire world. You have to see him from an outside perspective to understand how the rest of the world feels about him. Let's see: Since Bush has been president there has been a huge war in Afghanistan (possibly not his fault), a huge war in Iraq (all his fault), a huge rise in American Debt (mainly his fault), millions of innocent people dead (all his fault), the biggest threat of world war 3 to date (mainly his fault), another cold war about to start (perhaps not his fault, but what is he doing about it?)
The simple truth is, everyone outsie of America hates Bush, and blames him for pointless killing. Would another president have done the same...?

What do i have to back up? that Dene is a bush-basher, there you go, that he is condescending, pretty clear but is an opinion i guess, me saying "i find most people who are liberal, are that way because they have no idea of the facts," thats my experience, is that a wrong view?? Tell me where it was necessary to cite stuff.

 

[Bryan]

If you look over a transcript, notice how McCain referred to "Senator Obama" whenever he was talking about him? Obama, on the other hand, refers to his opponent as "John".

Sorry, that just seems to reek of arrogance, or perhaps he was just getting flustered and decided to quit showing respect.

 

[hawkmp4]

What do i have to back up? that Dene is a bush-basher, there you go, that he is condescending, pretty clear but is an opinion i guess, me saying "i find most people who are liberal, are that way because they have no idea of the facts," thats my experience, is that a wrong view?? Tell me where it was necessary to cite stuff.

And I find that most people are conservative because they're selfish and ignorant, and that they attack liberals for being elitist where elitist = intelligent. That's my experience, is that a wrong view?
You can't have it both ways. Whining and *****ing when someone calls you out for not backing up your opinions, but attacking others for not supporting your own views.
And regardless, Dene's post was much more thought out and supported than what you wrote. So you proved my point. Bush basher he is, but a Bush basher with a well constructed argument considering other points of view.