Obama-Biden or McCain-Palin(Speedsolving Votes)

[hawkmp4]

What does that have to do with anything?

Edit: really all that you did was not accept that you had been completely defeated when you tried to make a point, so you brought in a chart with well known information. In reality, all that shows is that when the government wastes a ton of money like the neocons, there will be debt. However, the entire platform of the democrats is to tax people a lot and spend a ton of money on socialist things like welfare and healthcare. The libertarians and true republicans on the other hand, are completely against wasteful government spending.

...*snickers*
Please don't try to tell me that McCain is a true republican.

 

[Ethan Rosen]

I didn't lol
I don't like Mccain, I just prefer him to Obama, but Bob Barr is significantly better than both.

 

[hawkmp4]

There you go- vote 3rd party, really change things (no sarcasm, I swear)

 

[cmhardw]

Ethan, first off I respect your opinions despite the fact that I disagree on which team would be better for this country. That's what politics is about though, if we all agreed on everything it'd be crazy boring. However, dude you should chill out a bit man. You're pretty angry when it comes to politics.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vr3x_RRJdd4

Chris ;-)

 

[hawkmp4]

Call me a sissy but that video brought tears to my eyes
Thanks Chris!

 

[Bryan]

If you want to know why the gas prices have gone so dramatically in the last couple of weeks, its because the elections are coming closer. And Republicans have all the control over oil, because they only support the largest companies. NOT the little ones.

Yup, couldn't be the hurricane approaching some of our big refineries, or the fact that Russia (a big oil producer) started invading other countries, or the fact that it's a holiday weekend.

In fact, in the last few weeks, oil has take one of the largest _drops_ in years. It may have ticked up just slight recently.

 

[Dene]

I'm not saying that all of Obama's supporter are ignorant, greedy, or lazy, but a larger number of them are. Many of his supporters can't tell you anything about him besides that he supports "change." They also know that he is going to raise taxes on the rich (who many poor people hate) and give to the middle class (the voters). The poor / middle class don't realize that this hurts them too.

How does taxing the people that make disgusting amounts of money hurt the middle class and those in poverty?

When factory owners move to Asia and take the jobs with them because they will be able to keep more money there, then you will see just how great Obama's policies are. Not to mention when the leaders of the service industry need to raise prices to make up for the loss of money caused by heavily increased taxes, you will see how great your socialism is.

This is true, and greatly contributes to why I will be voting National here this year. Lots of big businesses are going over to Asia at the moment. The stupid Green party (super-liberal) are whining about climate change and how we need to pass all these bills to reduce greenhouse emissions or whatever, but then the companies go over to China and use coal to generate power which is even worse! (I think it is illegal in New Zealand to use coal, or there are some obscene taxes on it, or something). Dumb greens, stupid Jeanette Fitzsimons.

 

[hawkmp4]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but...under George Bush, who cut taxes, the United States has been steadily losing jobs. Under Bill Clinton, who raised taxes, more and more jobs were being created...
So, I'm failing to see your logic.

 

[Bryan]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but...under George Bush, who cut taxes, the United States has been steadily losing jobs. Under Bill Clinton, who raised taxes, more and more jobs were being created...
So, I'm failing to see your logic.

Yes because taxes are the only factor in jobs. The economy was on it's way up when Clinton took office, and by the time he left, the economy was heading towards a recession (that Bush inherited).

Inflation was lower under Bush, disposable income was higher, household assets were higher.

If it wasn't for the GOP taking control of Congress in 94, Clinton probably would've messed up the economy by his tax hikes like he did in 93.

 

[hawkmp4]

Well, I just find it hard to believe that the economy follows a trend that mimics the party of the president- Republicans always seem to have recessions, do they not?

 

[fanwuq]

I think the president is just a figurehead anyway. The Fed really actually did everything for the economy. So you should really thank/blame Alan Greespan for everything about the economy for the last 20 years or so.(Now the chairman is Ben Bernanke.) The president can't actually make an appropriations bill (or any other bill), it's the Congress. The president's mainly appoints people, veto bills, sign treaties etc. He really can't do much to influence many of the things that he is promising. So the best thing he can do is pretty much make nice speeches so that the people will believe him and be proud that he is representing the country. The presidential coat tail doesn't really exist, so that wouldn't influence the Congress. The only thing of really concern is who will he appoint as the top level bureaucrats.

The vice president is just a laughable position of no real purpose. Adams's two terms as Vice President were frustrating experiences for a man of his vigor, intellect, and vanity. He complained to his wife Abigail, "My country has in its wisdom contrived for me the most insignificant office that ever the invention of man contrived or his imagination conceived."

 

[Dene]

"My country has in its wisdom contrived for me the most insignificant office that ever the invention of man contrived or his imagination conceived."

What a silly thing to say, he belongs in the 1700's.

And you're forgetting the most important thing: War. The president definitely influences that.

 

[hawkmp4]

And this goes along with appointing people, but its far from insignificant- Supreme Court justices.

 

[Lotsofsloths]

Ethan, I admit you've completely stomped me.

 

[badmephisto]

of course us Canadians are interested in what is going on with leadership in US. Politics of US does not only currently affect the entire world because it is a superpower (even though that has changed somewhat during the Bush presidency) but in particular it affects Canada a lot because we are so close, and rely on each other so much in trade and culture.

 

[Bryan]

in particular it affects Canada a lot because we are so close, and rely on each other so much in trade and culture.

Yes, because if America voted for a President that had a pro-polka platform, that could seriously affect Canada.

 

[hawkmp4]

in particular it affects Canada a lot because we are so close, and rely on each other so much in trade and culture.

Yes, because if America voted for a President that had a pro-polka platform, that could seriously affect Canada.

*whimpers*
Give me back Bush!
(kidding)

 

[Sa967St]

there should be another option: "I don't live in the U.S."

 

[CAT13]

there should be another option: "I don't live in the U.S."

And a "I wish I didn't live in the US"

 

[ThePizzaGuy92]

I would vote democratic in this election if i had the opportunity... but next election...!!