Skewb will be an Official WCA event?

[tx789]

Lol Jayden missed his chance to beat me damn it XD . Maybe in two years

I like to try and beat it maybe (at least complete in it) at the next NZ comp. I want to complete in every official event. I very rarely practice feet. I average like 4:00 or something and my times range from 3:00-5:00

 

[Stefan]

Lol Jayden missed his chance to beat me damn it XD

Right, you two are the only ones. Still more than Africa, though. Number of feet competitors per continent:

Asia           343
Europe         299
North America  104
South America   58
Oceania          2
Africa           1

SELECT continentId, count(distinct personId)
FROM Results, Countries
WHERE Countries.id = countryId
AND eventId='333ft'
GROUP BY continentId
ORDER BY 2 desc

 

[Sebastien]

I think Sebastien is referring to Worlds and major international/continental championships like Euro, Asian championships, sudamericano and us nationals(?)

This and every National Championship competition. In my opinion the point of every competition giving out regional titles should be to crown world/continental/national champions in every official category.

 

[cubizh]

This and every National Championship competition. In my opinion the point of every competition giving out regional titles should be to crown world/continental/national champions in every official category.

I completely agree with this statement.

 

[Michael Womack]

If you all think that we should remove an event to make room for skewb there have been some Comps in the past which had all the events and Skewb be an Unofficial extra side event.

 

[tx789]

If you all think that we should remove an event to make room for skewb there have been some Comps in the past which had all the events and Skewb be an Unofficial extra side event.

Not all comps have the time

 

[Deleted member 19792]

Since competition organizers can decide which events they want to include in their competition. I believe that no events should be removed and Skewb should be added. Since [insert contry] Nats and Worlds are the biggest events to some cubers, all events can be included. It is a matter of time though, where some rounds would need to be shortened and such. In Worlds, with the amount of people registering, cutoffs were released. If we add Skewb to all majour competitions, we should then give shorter cutoff times to events that are not as popular to some cubers. So should Skewb be added? Yes. But, for the time sake, there should be extra consideration on cutoff times and such.

Relooking at some posts. You don't have to put all events in one competition every time.

 

[Mikel]

Brandon Harnish brought to my attention that there is no WCA procedure for adding an event to the official event list. What was the reasoning for adding events in the past? (e.g. 6x6 and 7x7) Should we create a procedure for adding an event to the list and what should it entail?

It would have to have a scrambler, if not already covered by the current scrambler. (E.g, if 3x3 OH BLD were added, you could just use 3x3 BLD scrambles, nothing new to be added.)

Would there be a restriction to the first competition allowed to host the event? Would there have to be a minimum amount of people, a national championship, or even the next World Championship to give more people an opportunity to nab the first WR or does that matter?

What approval would it have to go through? A certain percentage of a vote from the delegates, or just the board members?

I think adding a procedure for adding events would be a very good thing. I would like to leave the bias out of it. An event should become an event if it is widely wanted, and feasible to hold within the WCA regulations. It shouldn't be limited from becoming an event because a few people are passionately biased and against adding it.

 

[Michael Womack]

Since competition organizers can decide which events they want to include in their competition. I believe that no events should be removed and Skewb should be added. Since [insert contry] Nats and Worlds are the biggest events to some cubers, all events can be included. It is a matter of time though, where some rounds would need to be shortened and such. In Worlds, with the amount of people registering, cutoffs were released. If we add Skewb to all majour competitions, we should then give shorter cutoff times to events that are not as popular to some cubers. So should Skewb be added? Yes. But, for the time sake, there should be extra consideration on cutoff times and such.

Relooking at some posts. You don't have to put all events in one competition every time.

I agree with you that no other event should be removed. Most of the comps other then Nats an Worlds would have not have all 17 WCA events.

 

[Mike Hughey]

Would there be a restriction to the first competition allowed to host the event? Would there have to be a minimum amount of people, a national championship, or even the next World Championship to give more people an opportunity to nab the first WR or does that matter?

We do sort of have a precedent for this - the rules change in multiBLD. There was no minimum amount of people, etc., to get the WR; the first competition to hold the event after the rules change got the new WR. However, that was changed after the fact when we decided later to allow previous results that fit the new rules to be counted. So I assume some of the early historical WRs for the new multiBLD got eliminated once that happened, although I don't know what actually happened in the database.

 

[AvGalen]

...The only thing I dislike about adding new events is, that it will have to be held at lots of competitions. The "simply don't hold it" argument that is brought up over and over again is ******** as every mayor competition simply has to host every official event....

The "simply don't hold it" argument isn't bulls*** at all. 95% of competitions aren't a "mayor competition" so this argument is perfectly valid.

I organised my first competition this year and actually managed to have every event except the really long ones (FMC, bigblind, multiblind) in a 1 day competition. For 2-5 I had 2nd rounds that allowed the maximum of 75% competitors to continue. I also had an unofficial event to lighten up the competition and give noobs-and-experts a chance to meet. This time could easily have been used for Skewb. However, I choose NOT to organise Feet (even though Henrik and Erik were both there) simply because I personally don't like it. If this isn't enough prove for the "simply don't hold it" argument than I don't know how to convince you.

And would major competitions really suffer from adding an extra event like Skewb? We added 6 and 7 which require a whole lot more time to scramble/solve and cost much more for competitors to buy.

Add Skewb and don't organise it if you don't want to

 

[Dene]

I think adding a procedure for adding events would be a very good thing. I would like to leave the bias out of it. An event should become an event if it is widely wanted, and feasible to hold within the WCA regulations.

It would be absolutely horrible if any event could be added if there was enough popularity. The events available should be, in my opinion, an exclusive group. If anything could be an official event, then we may as well just make everything available officially. But if we do that you'll find the cubing community splitting into cliques, where people really only care about one or two events, while the major events (such as 3x3 and BLD) will lose significance. Your suggestion makes me think of the Olympics, which is now so overloaded with so many insignificant "sports"... the vast majority of people couldn't give a damn about most of the stuff at the Olympics, and this takes away from the significance of each and every event. Nowadays it's basically like "show up and play your sport then go home", rather than "if you win this you will be the top of the world amongst an exceptional and exclusive group of people".


Having a procedure for adding events might be helpful, but it would need to be a strict procedure, and it would have to be applied to current events as well to filter out the ones falling behind.

 

[AvGalen]

It would be absolutely horrible if any event could be added if there was enough popularity. The events available should be, in my opinion, an exclusive group. If anything could be an official event, then we may as well just make everything available officially. But if we do that you'll find the cubing community splitting into cliques, where people really only care about one or two events, while the major events (such as 3x3 and BLD) will lose significance. Your suggestion makes me think of the Olympics, which is now so overloaded with so many insignificant "sports"... the vast majority of people couldn't give a damn about most of the stuff at the Olympics, and this takes away from the significance of each and every event. Nowadays it's basically like "show up and play your sport then go home", rather than "if you win this you will be the top of the world amongst an exceptional and exclusive group of people".


Having a procedure for adding events might be helpful, but it would need to be a strict procedure, and it would have to be applied to current events as well to filter out the ones falling behind.

Why do you compare the WCA with the Olympics? Don't they have entirely different goals?
WCA has competitions every weekend that are accessible for all and the motto is "more fun for more people"
Olympics is not about fun but about "who is the absolute best of the best and this 4 year timeframe" (although officialy their motto is something like "participating is more important than winning" if I remember correctly)

 

[Dene]

I dunno, it was just a thought that occurred to me. Ignore that part if you like. My main point still stands I feel; if we allow anything and everything to be an official event, the WCA loses its significance as a twisty puzzle solving authority. WCA events would become more like informal cube meetups, and so what's the point of the WCA then? The number of events should remain limited to provide an elite competitive environment (and I don't mean elite people, I mean elite events).

 

[Kirjava]

if we allow anything and everything to be an official event

I don't really see why you're arguing against this - no one is making this case.

 

[MaeLSTRoM]

I dunno, it was just a thought that occurred to me. Ignore that part if you like. My main point still stands I feel; if we allow anything and everything to be an official event, the WCA loses its significance as a twisty puzzle solving authority. WCA events would become more like informal cube meetups, and so what's the point of the WCA then? The number of events should remain limited to provide an elite competitive environment (and I don't mean elite people, I mean elite events).

And this ladies and gentlemen, is a perfect example of the slippery slope fallacy.

Adding a couple of events isn't going to ruin the integrity of the WCA, since if we always add events properly and only add those which fit with the aims of the WCA and are significantly worth adding, then I see no problem. I mean we probably won't be adding 2x2BLD or 4OH any time soon, because even though they fit, they don't really add much to the WCA.

TL;DR: Skewb is an original puzzle which would be awesome to add, and it won't lead to every single possible event being added.

 

[Noahaha]

It seems like there's at least the outline of a process for adding events that doesn't just include popularity. I don't think we'll have to worry about any such slippery slope.

 

[Michael Womack]

TL;DR: Skewb is an original puzzle which would be awesome to add, and it won't lead to every single possible event being added.

define "Original" If you say what I think your saying than every NON-WCA puzzle is Original.

 

[Username]

define "Original" If you say what I think your saying than every NON-WCA puzzle is Original.

Then he isn't saying what you think

 

[MaeLSTRoM]

define "Original" If you say what I think your saying than every NON-WCA puzzle is Original.

In this case I mean Original to be "A puzzle that isn't already used in a WCA competition, that's fairly different from other puzzles already included but doesn't take too long or too much skill to solve"
So although puzzles like gigaminx would be quite different, they take too long to solve.
Another case is cuboids, although they aren't currently held, I think they're too similar to solving cube sizes to be original puzzles and probably shouldn't be added.