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Skewb will be an Official WCA event?
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Coolster01
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Let's not. Feet actually is an important event in different places. People need to not just care about these countries in the forum. Yes, the USA, UK, Canada, etc. aren't fans of the event. But if you've ever looked at Brazil, you'll see that nearly every, if not every, Brazilian comp hold the event. We should be fair to countries that can't talk on this forum because they don't know English. Honestly, the semi class idea sounds fine with me, because then it will not have to be held at big comps. Just getting removed is not a good idea.
Noahaha
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Can someone say what it would bean for Skewb to be a second class event? Would it be represented differently on the WCA sight? If it's just a label, everyone's going to ignore it, and big competitions will still have it.
Coolster01
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I think skewb should not be second class or whatever. Tbh only feet should be second class. Basically, bigger comps wouldn't have to hold the event if they don't want to. So nationals wouldn't need to have feet. But I guess they really aren't fully obligated to hold every event, as Australian nats never have feet. So honestly this second class thing is not really useful.
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Noahaha
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You're basically saying that what makes an event second class is that "bigger comps wouldn't have to hold the event". That is not a real distinction. The whole point of a big comp is that it holds all events. They would still have skewb at big comps even if some sort of higher authority said that. It's a ridiculous idea.
Coolster01
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Hold on, let me clear up that I'm not on any side of this argument, I was just adding to what stefan said about the class thing.
I see what you are saying, but I think you didn't read the last part of my post where I said that it's not useful. It really isn't a good idea. Just saying that Australian big comps don't have all events so it isn't against regulations or anything to not hold all events at big comps.
Noahaha
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Obviously, since you can't have regulations about something not defined by the regulations.
Coolster01
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Exactly. There you go.
Noahaha
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I said that because you used faulty logic to explain why "big comps" don't need to have every event.
Faulty logic: There was once a big comp where they didn't have every event.
Correct logic: There is no such thing as a big comp according to the regulations.
Coolster01
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Alright, alright. OK, Ok. I agree. I really meant that as an agreement but I guess I should've said it differently.
cubizh
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I think Sebastien is referring to Worlds and major international/continental championships like Euro, Asian championships, sudamericano and us nationals(?)
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I suspect that if there were a secondary class of events, and feet were in that secondary class, the organizers of US Nationals would probably have no trouble at all deciding not to hold that event. At least not until we have more turnover among organizers than we've had so far.
I'd love to have a secondary class of events. And then I'd love to add square-1 BLD, megaminx BLD, 6x6x6 BLD as secondary events. As primary events, I know it will never happen. But as secondary events, at least I can dream.
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Skewb honestly won't be as chore to run as other currently existing events. Consider that most times will be similar and faster than 3x3, with about the popularity of pyraminx. Also, scrambling is fast and intuitive (and consistent with pyraminx if B is used instead of D).
And the whole thing with the possibility of fewer rounds of events at a major comp may be solvable with a larger staff of equal overall competence/efficiency.
Mike's idea really piqued my interest at the regs meeting, but that belongs in another thread.
And the whole thing with the possibility of fewer rounds of events at a major comp may be solvable with a larger staff of equal overall competence/efficiency.
Mike's idea really piqued my interest at the regs meeting, but that belongs in another thread.
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Owen
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I think in the past couple years the WCA has realized that scheduling problems competitions have are getting out of hand.
They could solve this is a couple different ways.
1. Remove events
2. Add 3x3 cutoffs
So far, they are removing events (magic). I suspect they will continue removing events. Thus, it seems unlikely that Skewb, or any new event for that matter will be added. I'm not happy about this, but it's better than the alternative, adding 3x3 cutoffs (borderline evil, though it has been proposed by people like Frank Morris).
I wouldn't expect any new events, especially with the community growing this fast. We just had a competition with over 500 attendants.
They could solve this is a couple different ways.
1. Remove events
2. Add 3x3 cutoffs
So far, they are removing events (magic). I suspect they will continue removing events. Thus, it seems unlikely that Skewb, or any new event for that matter will be added. I'm not happy about this, but it's better than the alternative, adding 3x3 cutoffs (borderline evil, though it has been proposed by people like Frank Morris).
I wouldn't expect any new events, especially with the community growing this fast. We just had a competition with over 500 attendants.
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lolno. The reason they removed Magic and Master magic was because they were stupid events to have in the first place and they were absurdly hard to regulate (NOT because they took up too much time, because they were undeniably the fastest events to run at comps).
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Code:
+------------------------+------+-------+----------+
| countryId | feet | comps | percent |
+------------------------+------+-------+----------+
| Slovakia | 1 | 1 | 100.0000 |
| Latvia | 1 | 1 | 100.0000 |
| Lithuania | 1 | 1 | 100.0000 |
| Brazil | 32 | 35 | 91.4286 |
| Norway | 10 | 13 | 76.9231 |
| Hungary | 7 | 10 | 70.0000 |
| Slovenia | 2 | 3 | 66.6667 |
| Korea | 11 | 17 | 64.7059 |
| Czech Republic | 5 | 8 | 62.5000 |
| Finland | 11 | 18 | 61.1111 |
| Iran | 2 | 4 | 50.0000 |
| Ukraine | 4 | 8 | 50.0000 |
| Sweden | 15 | 30 | 50.0000 |
| Denmark | 12 | 25 | 48.0000 |
| Indonesia | 19 | 48 | 39.5833 |
| Poland | 20 | 53 | 37.7358 |
| Thailand | 6 | 17 | 35.2941 |
| Malaysia | 4 | 12 | 33.3333 |
| Taiwan | 8 | 26 | 30.7692 |
| Vietnam | 3 | 10 | 30.0000 |
| Estonia | 3 | 10 | 30.0000 |
| Colombia | 3 | 11 | 27.2727 |
| Spain | 12 | 44 | 27.2727 |
| United Kingdom | 5 | 19 | 26.3158 |
| Japan | 17 | 78 | 21.7949 |
| Netherlands | 7 | 33 | 21.2121 |
| France | 15 | 71 | 21.1268 |
| Hong Kong | 1 | 5 | 20.0000 |
| Germany | 10 | 55 | 18.1818 |
| China | 24 | 149 | 16.1074 |
| Philippines | 5 | 32 | 15.6250 |
| Russia | 2 | 13 | 15.3846 |
| Italy | 6 | 42 | 14.2857 |
| Belgium | 2 | 15 | 13.3333 |
| New Zealand | 1 | 8 | 12.5000 |
| Canada | 4 | 41 | 9.7561 |
| Mexico | 1 | 14 | 7.1429 |
| USA | 19 | 309 | 6.1489 |
| India | 2 | 43 | 4.6512 |
| Chile | 1 | 24 | 4.1667 |
| Macau | 0 | 1 | 0.0000 |
| Bosnia and Herzegovina | 0 | 1 | 0.0000 |
| Iceland | 0 | 1 | 0.0000 |
| Ireland | 0 | 1 | 0.0000 |
| Greece | 0 | 1 | 0.0000 |
| Croatia | 0 | 1 | 0.0000 |
| Jordan | 0 | 1 | 0.0000 |
| Turkey | 0 | 1 | 0.0000 |
| Israel | 0 | 2 | 0.0000 |
| Switzerland | 0 | 2 | 0.0000 |
| Serbia | 0 | 2 | 0.0000 |
| United Arab Emirates | 0 | 2 | 0.0000 |
| Portugal | 0 | 2 | 0.0000 |
| Argentina | 0 | 5 | 0.0000 |
| Singapore | 0 | 5 | 0.0000 |
| Austria | 0 | 6 | 0.0000 |
| Romania | 0 | 10 | 0.0000 |
| Peru | 0 | 14 | 0.0000 |
| Australia | 0 | 20 | 0.0000 |
+------------------------+------+-------+----------+
SELECT countryId, feet, comps, feet/comps*100 percent FROM
(SELECT countryId, count(distinct competitionId) comps, sum(if(eventId='333ft',1,0)) feet FROM
(SELECT DISTINCT competitionId, eventId, Competitions.countryId
FROM Results, Competitions
WHERE Competitions.id = competitionId) helper
GROUP BY countryId) helper2
ORDER BY feet/comps DESC, compsStefan
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AustralianNationals2010 - 39 competitors
AustralianNationals2011 - 35 competitors
AustralianNationals2012 - 41 competitors
Aww... you so cute!
(all competitons so far have averaged 48.8 competitors, btw)
tx789
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OcR for feet must be the oldest Continental record it's 4 years old and held by Dene only one other person has completed a feet from Oceania and that was at worlds.
Dene
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Lol Australia represent. I'd like to take this opportunity to reassure everyone that Tim and myself have no intention of holding feet in a competition here. And if anyone even dares to suggest this has anything to do with me holding the continental record, you obviously do not know me, and have absolutely no idea what I think about feet...
Lol Jayden missed his chance to beat me damn it XD . Maybe in two years
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