Skewb will be an Official WCA event?

[ben1996123]

Exactly

thats a bad thing

 

[Michael Womack]

So if Skewb officially becomes a WCA event that means I will have to resticker mine. Before I get stickers for my Skewb I want to know if the standard size or skewb is 57mm.

 

[EMI]

So if Skewb officially becomes a WCA event that means I will have to resticker mine. Before I get stickers for my Skewb I want to know if the standard size or skewb is 57mm.

yes

 

[Dene]

So if Skewb officially becomes a WCA event that means I will have to resticker mine. Before I get stickers for my Skewb I want to know if the standard size or skewb is 57mm.

You make it sound as if there is a very good chance of skewb becoming an official event in the near future. As far as I'm aware you are greatly misguided. As such, if you only want to buy stickers if it is certain to become an official event, I suggest you wait.

 

[Michael Womack]

You make it sound as if there is a very good chance of skewb becoming an official event in the near future. As far as I'm aware you are greatly misguided. As such, if you only want to buy stickers if it is certain to become an official event, I suggest you wait.

I never made it sound like that it is true. Any ways I really need to resticker my skewb the stickers are peeling like crazy.

yes

Thank you for the info.

 

[Dene]

You actually did, because you said "I will re-sticker if it becomes official" then followed that up with "before I get stickers for my skewb...", sounding very much as if this was a project in the making. Perhaps you should work on your tense if that wasn't your intention. No better way to learn how to write than doing it in practise.

 

[Michael Womack]

You actually did, because you said "I will re-sticker if it becomes official" then followed that up with "before I get stickers for my skewb...", sounding very much as if this was a project in the making. Perhaps you should work on your tense if that wasn't your intention. No better way to learn how to write than doing it in practise.

Ether way I'm going to resticker it at some point.

 

[Dene]

XD Well I guess that solves that problem

 

[Kattenvriendin]

If skewb solving is considered lucky, then the 3x3 should be too. The skips you get are lucky, luck in the right situations is what speeds things up along with being able to knock out pre-learned algorithms as fast as you can.

 

[Yoheicube]

I think Skewb should not be official events because this is easy.
easy case, 3 or 4 moves. so WR is 0.xx.
WR depends on scrambles.

if added new event, i reccomend events that WR(single or average) will become 30~40s.

 

[Kattenvriendin]

I would love to see a video of someone solving a properly scrambled skewb (so also without pre-knowledge like that 4.41 solve) make a 0.xx solve.

Maybe I am stupidly slow, but still.. a <1 sec solve I find really hard to believe.

 

[tx789]

You know if we shouldn't add SKewb since it's "heavily" influenced by luck then why not remove all events influenced by luck. So that would be everything. 6x6 and 7x7 aren't affected by as everything else. But still.

Spoiler

the order of events by influence of luck would be. Something like this
2x2
pyraminx
3x3(and OH and Feet)
clock
3x3 BLD
Square 1
4x4 BLD
5x5 BLD
megaminx'
multi BLD
6x6
7x7

 

[Mike Hughey]

I'd move square-1 up that list a bit (probably right after pyraminx). And I'd maybe move clock up too.

 

[Ranzha]

I think Skewb should not be official events because this is easy.
easy case, 3 or 4 moves. so WR is 0.xx.
WR depends on scrambles.

1-looking a 4-move scramble would still most usually be difficult because of the puzzle's deep-cut quality. Even Stackmatting the "4-mover" is really rather difficult to get under 1.00 simply because of the time involved picking up the puzzle.

After looking into it, assuming that Skewb will be held about as frequently as Pyraminx, here's what I find:
In 2012, 218 competitions held Pyraminx as an event. Thus, there were at least 1090 scrambles generated, but a safer bet (due to multiple rounds and utilised extra scrambles) would probably be about 1600.
The probability of receiving a Skewb which can be optimally solved in four twists or fewer is 0.06579%, or 1 in every 1520 states. (Thanks Jaap).
One scramble a year, statistically, would be solvable in 4 twists or fewer, like 2x2, but the turning style prohibits the time from timer start to timer stop from being anything like sub-1, not to mention that a scramble like L U' R L' is nearly impossible to 1-look from inspection. I have never gotten sub-1 single, even with the very rare 3-move cases I have come across.

tl;dr Statistics; hardware and lookahead difficulty prohibits sub-1s

 

[Kit Clement]

This whole "Single WR will be lucky" argument is always baffling to me. The vast, vast, vast majority of cubers out there won't even have a remote chance at the single WR, even one as lucky as this. Is this reason to not hold an event, just so that it's "fair" to the very few who are capable of this? I think most people realize how silly 2x2 single WR is anyway, why can't we just hold an event for the fun of everyone and just take every quick event with a single WR with a grain of salt? Quick and easy events like this are what draw new people into competitions, and will allow the WCA to grow more. More of these kinds of events means more ways for new competitors to get more official solves, which means more fun for them.

 

[Sebastien]

As there is already a min_length for 2x2x2 and Pyraminx, there would surely be one for Skewb as well.

The only thing I dislike about adding new events is, that it will have to be held at lots of competitions. The "simply don't hold it" argument that is brought up over and over again is ******** as every mayor competition simply has to host every official event. Magics left a very comfortable gap for the concerned organisers.

If there is an event out there that deserves to become official, than this is definitely Skewb. But adding it might lead to a situation with fewer rounds per event at mayor competitions and/or event in parallel without opportunity for competitors to participate at everything. But we might find ourselves in such a siatuation as well without adding Skewb.

 

[Stefan]

The only thing I dislike about adding new events is, that it will have to be held at lots of competitions. The "simply don't hold it" argument that is brought up over and over again is ******** as every mayor competition simply has to host every official event. Magics left a very comfortable gap for the concerned organisers.

What if we officially declare certain events as "second-class" or "semi-official" events with the express purpose/meaning that they're less important and don't have to be held?

Or if that's enough for people who want to do it, we could more actively use a database of semi-official results like this.

 

[uberCuber]

What if we officially declare certain events as "second-class" or "semi-official" events with the express purpose/meaning that they're less important and don't have to be held?

Oooh, let's do this with feet!


Sorry, couldn't help myself

 

[Kit Clement]

What if we officially declare certain events as "second-class" or "semi-official" events with the express purpose/meaning that they're less important and don't have to be held?

Or if that's enough for people who want to do it, we could more actively use a database of semi-official results like this.

This was the suggestion I gave at the WRC meeting at Worlds. I don't think a separate database is necessary, I think people like to see all of their results on their WCA profile, whether it be a primary or secondary event.

But maybe we could still run all events at major competitions, but either limit their rounds or force competitors to make choices between pairs of secondary events, and run those pairs simultaneously.

 

[DrKorbin]

every mayor competition simply has to host every official event

Oooh, let's do this with feet!

Lets remove feet and add skewb! Two problems with one shot.