Pyraminx Race

Your method sounds like the 2 steps are tedious and highly intuitive, keyhole takes the pyraminx and breaks it into ~5 steps. And, obviously, the more steps, the less cases. Example on a 3x3x3:
Begginners method last layer: 4 steps, 14 cases (Step 1: 4 cases, Step 2: 3 cases, Step 3: 3 cases, Step 4: 4 cases)
One Look Last Layer: 1 Step, 1212 cases
The difference is clear. However there is a sort of an inverse relationship here. The more steps you have, the less cases, but the more cases you have the less steps. And obviously The outliers would be either too inefective (Begginner's) or take a long long time to handle it so well that it would actually impact your times (1LLL). So you have to find a balance between the two that leads to a low amount of steps and still maintain a reasonable amount of cases. Examples: PLL and OLL for the last layer, or 2-Look Last Layer, has 2 Steps and 80 cases. Is it THE best method for solving the last layer if you were the perfect cuber? No, that would be 1LLL, but you would have to completely learn that for it to be effective.

So to put this in terms of pyraminx, the balance I was referencing earlier between steps and cases is perfect for begginner to intermediate pyraminxers in the method of Keyhole. At least in my opinion. :)
 
I did some research and I am apparently using a layer by layer beginners method, first layer intuitively and algorithms for last layer. I´ll try keyhole and we´ll see here how it goes.
 
JF1zl3 said:
Your method sounds like the 2 steps are tedious and highly intuitive, keyhole takes the pyraminx and breaks it into ~5 steps. And, obviously, the more steps, the less cases. Example on a 3x3x3:
Begginners method last layer: 4 steps, 14 cases (Step 1: 4 cases, Step 2: 3 cases, Step 3: 3 cases, Step 4: 4 cases)
One Look Last Layer: 1 Step, 1212 cases
The difference is clear. However there is a sort of an inverse relationship here. The more steps you have, the less cases, but the more cases you have the less steps. And obviously The outliers would be either too inefective (Begginner's) or take a long long time to handle it so well that it would actually impact your times (1LLL). So you have to find a balance between the two that leads to a low amount of steps and still maintain a reasonable amount of cases. Examples: PLL and OLL for the last layer, or 2-Look Last Layer, has 2 Steps and 80 cases. Is it THE best method for solving the last layer if you were the perfect cuber? No, that would be 1LLL, but you would have to completely learn that for it to be effective.

So to put this in terms of pyraminx, the balance I was referencing earlier between steps and cases is perfect for begginner to intermediate pyraminxers in the method of Keyhole. At least in my opinion. :)
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I think the difficulty in more cases has more to do with recognition than anything else. 57 OLLs is not too bad really because the recognition is fairly simple (look at the pattern of yellow stickers for example, assuming white cross). A puzzle like pyraminx is easy compared to 3x3 but imagine recognizing 57 pyraminx cases. It would be like... if this piece had to move to that position and this sticker over here is opposite colour of that sticker and the piece on the back was flipped in place... (you get the idea). As for keyhole method itself, I think tacking on some extra algs for certain cases would be helpful. For example, if the front-bottom sticker and the back sticker (if you know what I'm talking about) are both flipped in place and they're the only two pieces left to solve, you could memorize one alg for it instead of doing a two-look. You can either find a shorter and more fingertrick-friendly alg or just memorize what you would have done anyway but eliminate any need for looking again and simply execute.

JF1zl3 said:
I posted Erik's tutorial on the last page before this if you wanna see it :)
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It did wonders for my time! I'm not sure it said all the techniques that I'm using though because I watched one or two other pyraminx tutorials. For the second step, (about 7:10) Erik says something about a tip that has yellow and where it's supposed to go. I find that more confusing than it needs to be. Just figure out during inspection after you decided which corner you're going to use what the remaining colour is. Remember that colour so on the second step you just turn all the rest of the tips so that colour is facing right.
 
Yeah I would definately recommend Keyhole. At first it seemed weird and complicated, but after a couple of days I got the hang of it and it actually works really well. My times dropped from about 15 or 16 seconds to about 8 seconds in 2 weeks.
 
Results: Round 113
Comment:


1. sneaklyfox - 8.49
2. TP - 14.62


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Round: 114
Ranked On: Mean of 2 Sets
Start: 14 April 2013
End: ~21 April 2013
Comment: Sorry for the delay everyone, I have been quite preoccupied. Next competition will probably be a day late as well.


Set 1:
1. U R U L' U B R U B' R' B' u l' r' b'
2. L' U' R' B L' R B' U B' R' L u r
3. L U' R U R' L B U R B R l r'
4. L B' L' R' U L' U R' L' B' L' u' l' r b
5. U' L' R' U' L' U' B' L' U' L R' u' l r b'
6. L R U R L U L R U B' L' u' l' b
7. U R' U' L B R B L U' B' R' u' l r b'
8. B' U R' B L B R L' R U' B b
9. B' U L R L' U R B' U' L' U' u l' r' b'
10. B R U' R U' B' U' L B' R' L u l' r' b
11. U B' U' L R' U' B' L B R' U u' r
12. R' U' L B' L U' L' R B R' B l' r' b'


Set 2:
1. U' L' B U' L R' U' R B' L' U l' r b'
2. R' B' R B' L' B' L' B' L R' L' u' l' r'
3. B' U B' U' L' R B L' R' B' R u' r'
4. L R' U' R' L R U L' U B' R u' l'
5. R' B L' R' B L R L' U' L U' u' r' b
6. L' B L' U' L B' U' L R L U l r' b
7. U B' L' U B L U B L' B' R l r'
8. L' R B U' R L R' L' R' L' R' l' b'
9. B R U B U' R U R' L' R B b
10. U B' L' U' B L' U' R B' R B l r
11. B' R' B U' R' L U' R U' B U' u' b
12. L B L' R' U' R U B U R' B u l r' b
 
Round 114
Mean of Averages: 7.17

Set 1
Average of 12: 7.15
7.92, 7.19, (8.62), 8.07, 7.09, (6.10), 6.13, 6.66, 7.80, 7.26, 6.57, 6.82

Set 2
Average of 12: 7.18
6.87, 6.80, 7.65, 7.04, 7.31, 7.14, 6.98, 7.71, 7.43, 6.90, (5.94), (8.00)
 
Round: 114
Average of both Sets: Too Lazy
Mean of both Sets: 14.17
Event: Speed (Keyhole method)


====Solves Set 1====
#1 ----------- 11.32
#2 ----------- 16.09
#3 ----------- 15.35
#4 ----------- 11.26
#5 ----------- 15.49
#6 ----------- 23.82
#7 ----------- 11.41
#8 ----------- 11.99
#9 ----------- 11.01
#10 ---------- 14.43
#11 ---------- 26.26
#12 ---------- 18.68
Average ------ 14.98
Mean --------- 15.59
Ao12 --------- 14.98
Ao5 ---------- 12.61 #6 - #10
Best --------- 11.01 #9
Worst -------- 26.26 #11
Comments: Not bad. I think I am getting better.
====================


====Solves Set 2====
#1 ----------- 10.97
#2 ----------- 08.89
#3 ----------- 16.68
#4 ----------- 10.20
#5 ----------- 11.65
#6 ----------- 20.47
#7 ----------- 09.30
#8 ----------- 12.02
#9 ----------- 20.98
#10 ---------- 13.88
#11 ---------- 14.04
#12 ---------- 14.31
Average ------ 13.35
Mean --------- 13.62
Ao12 --------- 13.35
Ao5 ---------- 10.94 #1 - #5
Best --------- 08.89 #2
Worst -------- 20.98 #9
Comments: Awesome times :)
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R114 Speed (LBL Method)

Set 1

27.26, 32.67, (17.08), (44.05), 38.97, 22.10, 30.83, 22.95, 31.68, 21.33, 17.37, 17.96 = 26.31

Just started Pyraminxing so can't say how this avg is, might have to switch methods soon. And what was with the scrambles? JF1zl3, did you carefully handpick the toughest scrambles you could get? :P

Set 2

20.26, (14.91), 26.04, 23.52, 22.79, 23.85, 15.47, 23.51, 15.86, 26.37, (34.65), 25.15 = 22.28

Easier scrambles, better average xD last 3 solves spoiled it though.

Mean of both averages: 24.30
 
kunparekh18 said:
R114 Speed (LBL Method)

Set 1

27.26, 32.67, (17.08), (44.05), 38.97, 22.10, 30.83, 22.95, 31.68, 21.33, 17.37, 17.96 = 26.31

Just started Pyraminxing so can't say how this avg is, might have to switch methods soon. And what was with the scrambles? JF1zl3, did you carefully handpick the toughest scrambles you could get? :P

Set 2

20.26, (14.91), 26.04, 23.52, 22.79, 23.85, 15.47, 23.51, 15.86, 26.37, (34.65), 25.15 = 22.28

Easier scrambles, better average xD last 3 solves spoiled it though.

Mean of both averages: 24.30
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I never used LBL method before though I watched a tutorial on it recently. You're better than me the first time I did this comp with my no-method method.
 
JF1zl3 said:
Hahaha, noooo, I used TNoodle to generate the scrambles lol. New scrambles are on their way.
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Hmmm, ok. Don't you think there's something wrong with the scrambles Prisma generates (for both Pyraminx and 2x2)? None of them are fixed length.

sneaklyfox said:
I never used LBL method before though I watched a tutorial on it recently. You're better than me the first time I did this comp with my no-method method.
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What no - method method? I'm curious. What I do is solve tips, then centers, then a layer with inserting edges with R U' R'/L' U L and sledgehammer. Then I solve L3E, with 5 algs, of which 2 I havent learnt.

But seeing your progress makes me go o.0 would you recommend the keyhole method?
 
kunparekh18 said:
What no - method method? I'm curious. What I do is solve tips, then centers, then a layer with inserting edges with R U' R'/L' U L and sledgehammer. Then I solve L3E, with 5 algs, of which 2 I havent learnt.

But seeing your progress makes me go o.0 would you recommend the keyhole method?
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No-method method for me was doing tips first, then centers, then any edge that looked like it was sort of next to where it needed to go either flipped or not. The only alg I knew was the one that switched FR and FL. Yes, the method you describe is LBL. I saw a quick tutorial on it recently because I was wondering if some of those algs (4 of them) would help me in keyhole method. In keyhole, I am left with 4 edges at the end then I fix the one at the back and left with 3 edges that are all on one side unlike LBL where the last 3 edges are around a tip if you know what I mean. Anyway, I still haven't learned those algs but I think maybe I should work on it.

Keyhole method I absolutely recommend learning. I mean, it sure did wonders for my time. I think after getting the hang of it with a dozen or so solves I could average about 15-20 on my Meffert's. I'm still practicing pyraminx on the non-uber monthly marathon... I think I was sub-10 after 1000 solves using keyhole. And I hope you have a shengshou.
 
Results: Round 114
Comment: There is no excuse for why the new scrambles are so late, I sincerely apologize everyone.


1. sneaklyfox - 7.17
2. JF1zl3 - 14.17
3. kunparekh18 - 24.30


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Round: 115
Ranked On: Mean of 2 Sets
Start: 25 April 2013
End: ~2 May 2013
Comment: Hooray :)


Set 1:
1. R' U' B' U' B' R' U B L' R U u' l b'
2. R U R' B' R' L' R' B' L' B' R u l r
3. U R U B L' U R' U L' U R u r
4. L' R L R' L' U' L U R L B' u l b'
5. L' B' U R U L B L R L' B' u' l' r
6. R L' U' B' R' B L' U R' B' R l r b'
7. U' B' R U' R' B R' B' U L' B' u' l r' b'
8. R B' L' R L B' U' B L' U' B u r b'
9. L U L' R L' B' L R L' U' R' u'
10. B L R' L' U L U B' L' U L' l'
11. R U' R' B R U' R B' U' B' R' b
12. B' R' B' L R' B' L U' L' U R u


Set 2:
1. B U' R B R' L U' B' U B' U' b'
2. R' U' B' L B' R' B' R B L U' u b'
3. U B' L R U B' U L' U' R U l
4. B L' B' L' U R' B' R' L U R' u' l' r b'
5. B U R U L' B R' U B R' L l r'
6. R U' L B' R' B' L' R' L' U' B u r b
7. R' L' B' R U B' L U' R L' U' l' r b
8. B U' L B U L' B' L U' R L u' l' r
9. R' L U B L' B' U L' U' L U u l b
10. L' R U B' U L R' U R' U B u l
11. U B' L' B R B L R' U' R' L u l' r b
12. B L' R' L' B L' U' B R' U' L b
 
Round 115
Mean of Averages: 6.02

Set 1
Average of 12: 5.95
5.21, 6.10, 5.85, (8.25), 6.39, 7.77, 5.82, 6.43, 5.42, 5.48, 4.98, (4.64)

Set 2
Average of 12: 6.09
6.42, 4.90, 6.33, 6.77, (7.71), 6.79, 5.18, (3.65), 4.23, 6.98, 6.19, 7.09

This is pretty awesome. I don't get sub-6 Ao12 that often.
 
Set 1
28.86, 16.75, 25.82, 17.81, 28.50, (32.30,) (11.70,) 14.76, 12.86, 15.22, 18.31, 17.62 =19.65

Set 2
20.55, (37.56,) (13.90,) 33.87, 15.28, 15.24, 15.73, 15.07, 17.08, 15.06, 17.21, 27.87+ = 19.30

Mean of averages: 19.48

First timed I used Keyhole properly and on a new cube, so recognition was horrible. Kinda of like it though, shouldn´t be a problem to equal my LBL times.
 
Set1: 10.38, 13.23, 11.35, 11.59, (8.36), 10.43, 11.22, 11.05, 13.19, (15.41), 10.47, 10.62 = 11.35
Set2: 9.39, 11.56, 10.21, 10.52, 9.26, 10.05, (14.21), 10.42, (7.49), 11.28, 13.49, 9.80 = 10.60

Mean: 10.975
 
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