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You've been a member since Oct 2012.. this is no way this is just against jskyler, there have been lots of other issues. Also, private accusations of dishonesty wouldn't amount to much either.

I have been a member since march of 2011 actually as you can see next to join date on my profile and on the left of this message. Also I would love to hear these issues. [

You do get lots of positive posts from people, just that some other people would live to scrutinize or negatively criticise it. There's nothing wrong with well thought out criticism.

Yes but there is something wrong with harassment and the way certain people treat me it more than borders on it.
 
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I have been a member since march of 2011 actually as you can see next to join date on my profile and on the left of this message. AlsoI would love to hear these issues.
Please read my message carefully, it was not sent to you.

yish, matyas. First two that spring to mind.

Yes but there is something wrong with harassment and the way certain people treat me it more than borders on it.
Remember, it IS the internet, there will be some "hate", it's unfortunate but true.
 

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Please read my message carefully, it was not sent to you.

yish, matyas. First two that spring to mind.


Remember, it IS the internet, there will be some "hate", it's unfortunate but true.

Ok I am confused I think there was some lag in my internet because I got your message after mine. Sorry about that, my bad. What is Yish and matyas?
 
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Exactly. Two people who were put under scrutiny.

Ah, of how many people who post averages on a day to day only a couple come to mind? That still makes what is happening here rare by definition of it not happening or occuring often and I am always under scrutiny not just sometimes. In the end it just comes down to trust and performance. Some people won't believe something unless they have no choice but to and I think that is how its going to be with me. Until I perform at sub 11 second average in comp some people won't believe me and they will try to find a way to discredit me. If thats how it is then fine, but I am not going to waste my time trying to convince people something they will never believe.

Believe me or not, but I wasn't faking here and thats that. I think my long experience speedcubing and the multitude of videos and help I have provided this forum can speak to my character, but if you feel better thinking I am wasting absorbitant amounts of time trying to trick you into thinking that I am capable of an average that thousands of people on this earth can and have performed before (again a 9.32 average of 5 at home after a long warmup is not that impressive IMO) after nearly 2 years of diligent practice in a sport where luck and sheer will can allow a person to improve very quickly then have fun with that.
 
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You've been a member since Oct 2012.. this is no way this is just against jskyler, there have been lots of other issues. Also, private accusations of dishonesty wouldn't amount to much either.
Well it's still wrong to treat people like that, even if it's happened before Oct 2012. Others have given their opinions, and that's mine. Hope everyone's having a great day and not suffering frozen fingers in this weather! :)
 

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Yes it is rare.

:) Glad we agree. Alright well I am done with this discussion, if people want to read my opinions and my "defense" please read pages 3 and 4, but I will not be providing any other comments on the subject. Its honestly not worth my effort. Either believe me and my defense or don't, but I am not going to waste any more time trying to convince people that I am who I am, its rather insulting.
 
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Wow you guys this is a bit pathetic.

All I have done is stated how I feel about the video. I have done no name calling and am just airing my skepticism. I feel completely comfortable doing this as many others feel the same.

People can find anything if they want to, hell I could look at most of Fazs videos and think wow he must be cheating because he planned really far ahead (hint hint try the double x cross solve yourself a baby could form it, that was a ridiculously easy solve. I tried it again and I got a 6 on it lol) or, omg he paused while scrambling he must be cheating its not like he could have lost his place while scrambling or purposefully went slow because he was trying to focus on not f'ing up because he knew that if he did people like Kir would say he was cheating.

You thought that if you scrambled wrong I'd accuse you of cheating? Why would you assume that before making the video?

Faz has beyond proven himself, this video just leaves doubts.

You guys are ridiculous in your attempts to discredit me. I cant believe you think I cheated because on my second to best pb average of 5 EVER I had solves where I didn't stop!!! OMG, so the best average he has ever had involved nearly perfect solves!!??? What a shocker!!! Seriously guys think what you want, but you are fishing, why I have no idea, but seriously fishing for reasons why I must be lying to get a 9.32 average. That's not even that great of an average.

We're not fishing. A few different things seem to point to this being the case. The main thing for me is just /how/ you turn. You don't turn like a fast cuber. You seem to do all the really difficult things about being fast with ease, yet the easy things are not covered.

If I wanted to show off I would have rehearshed easier solves and put up a low 8 average, now that would be worth wasting however long it takes to do whatever you think I am doing here, but a 9.32 seriously you think I would waste my time on that?

Yes. You felt like you had to prove yourself, it's not a stretch to think that you fabricated this for the sake of that.

It's weird for you to say that it can't be fake because if it was fake it'd be faster.

Also, it'd take less time to make a fake video than to do the 150 solves you said you did, so the 'wasting time' point doesn't really amount to much.

Seriously? My "rant" shows how ridiculous it is to say I am faking just because I paused when scrambling and I happend to do not as well on the one solve that I miscrambled or that because I turned fast and looked ahead really well on a near PB average. I mean just think about that, you guys are telling me that on your BEST SOLVES EVER you haven't gone nearly nonstop? Isn't that the definition of a nearly perfect solve for you? Well it is for me especially since I rarely pause as it is and have provided many a reference as to how to do so in video form. The only thing that I can understand your hesitation on is that I paused when scrambling, but ask any of my fellow berkeley cubers, I mess up scrambles ALL THE TIME (even people who have gone to berkeley comps have probably seen me get chewed out for this) and so I was trying not to and thus went slower and hey I still messed up on the last solve.

It's not just one thing, it's the combination of all of them. The solves just /look/ so fake, they're completely unrealistic.

Also, my last solve was only 3 seconds slower than my average, why does that sound so ridiculous or suspicious?

"only 3 seconds"?

Even if I was rehearsing it if I messed up I wouldn't know what was coming thus by solving it in 12.5 seconds I would be proving that on the fly I could solve at least 12.5 seconds average

Since when does having at least a 12.5 second average prove anything about your times. Since when does single solve = average.

and I did lock up on the last layer and had to do an U2 AUF. So if you guys are trying to say I am actually really slow I think my 12.5 second solve should prove to the contrary especially since I didn't even know it was miscrambled until you guys told me.

The LL was 0.38 seconds slower than the LL on your 7. Saying you messed up PLL doesn't explain anything about why the time was slow.

Also, just think logically, in general, isn't your worst solve of an average normally above your average? And don't you always mess up a good average right at the end?

You didn't mess up on your claimed 8.64 average.

Finally, why is everyone so disbleving that a 7 second solve looks rehearsed?

The first three look rehearsed. Not sure about the 10, and the 12 obviously wasn't.

I mean isn't a 7 second solve usually really good? I don't know about you guys but I do not get them often and I think I even exclaimed so in the video. I have maybe had 25 in my cubing career and I have done thousands of solves in just the past 6 months. This means that a 7 is in the very top 1% of my solves and are thus the very best solves I ever do generally. My peak performance level With all of that in mind you think its strange that I had nearly no pauses (there were some if you check) on a solve where I was at nearly peak performance in terms of solving times? If I can solve at 11 seconds average over 50% of the time than I already don't pause much at all, so why is it strange to think that at my best I would nearly not pause?

It's certainly possible. Just like it's certainly possible that you had a sub10 average when you 'averaged 14' (lol). Looking at it though, I'm not so sure.

Heck even if I only still averaged 14 seconds which is on my WCA profile I still need to be able to nearly not pause or have at least decent lookahead so why wouldn't you believe that I was capable of near perfect lookahead on one of my BEST SOLVES EVER.

Uhm, you don't need to "nearly not pause or have at least decent lookahead" to average 14.

BTW i capitalized the words BEST SOLVES EVER to make a point, you guys are trying to nitpick at a person who is proven to be sub 15 for having a sub 10 average of 5?

What's odd about that? You posted a sketchy video. Completely warranted.

Your saying that its impossible for a sub 15 cuber to on the best solves he ever did be sub 10? That seems a little ridiculous to me.

No, just that it's extremely unlikely. And if it did happen, it wouldn't look like this.

If someone can be sub 15 in comp and have an 11 second solve over 6 months ago then I think he can probably do at least 3 sub 10 solves at his peak performance.

Sure they can. It's very unlikely, but they can. Again, it doesn't look like that's what happened though.

Thanks for sharing your analysis of OP's solves. Maybe you're right, maybe you're wrong, but it's not proof.

"I didn't want to post any reasons only for people to say "NONE OF THIS IS PROOF"."

There's clearly something personal going on here as nobody else's solves seem to be subject to such scrutiny and speculation,

Not at all. I've done this before - I've been either shown to be correct or we never found out in all the cases in the past.

let alone public accusations of dishonesty. That's what makes this distasteful, whether he's faking or not.

Why?! I'm just calling something as I see it. It's not a personal attack. This stuff happens from time to time with videos that look a bit abnormal.

Does no one remember Ando? There are loads of his solves we've considered fake, and still do. He even has fast official results. If anything, we have less reason to believe his videos are fake than yours, yet the general consesnsus was that it was fake.

I totally agree wth you Mark. What is this? Highschool?

In what way is what I'm doing childish? I'm just giving my opinion.

Well put, I am not sure what I have done to earn the criiticisms and skepticism of some of this forums members

You posted a sketchy video after we thought your claimed times weren't true.

but I would think that my countless contributions would make up for it and you could stop harassing me whenever I post anything. Literally almost every single video I post gets attacked or scrutinized rudely and openly. From my reading of the site rules that sounds a bit contrary to the purpose of this forum and its just plain old rude.

Why would contributions make use ignore what we have seen and believe?

I posted positive stuff in your LL recog idea thread. I've not posted ni a lot of your threads.

Stop exaggerating.

Yes but there is something wrong with harassment and the way certain people treat me it more than borders on it.

What have I done here that is harrasment? I've been perfectly amicable since you returned, even nice at some points. I'm just airing concerns here, rightfully so.

Ah, of how many people who post averages on a day to day on a couple come to mind? That still makes what is happening here rare by definition of it not happening or occuring often.

It's rare to see something like this happen because people normally post legit videos, but it does happen.

In the end it just comes down to trust and performance. Some people won't believe something unless they have no choice but to and I think that is how its going to be with me. Until I perform at sub 11 second average in comp some people won't believe me and they will try to find a way to discredit me. If thats how it is then fine, but I am not going to waste my time trying to convince people something they will never believe.

That's fine man! Let people make up their own minds. People are curently divided on this issue and can believe who they want to.

Believe me or not, but I wasn't faking here and thats that. I think my long experience speedcubing and the multitude of videos and help I have provided this forum can speak to my character

Your conduct in the past hasn't always been civil.

but if you feel better thinking I am wasting absorbitant amounts of time trying to trick you into thinking that I am capable of an average that thousands of people on this earth can and have performed before (again a 9.32 average of 5 at home after a long warmup is not that impressive IMO) after nearly 2 years of diligent practice in a sport where luck and sheer will can allow a person to improve very quickly then have fun with that.

2000 people minimum have done sub9.32 avg5? Seriously doubt that.

Others have given their opinions, and that's mine.

Here's mine :3

but I will not be providing any other comments on the subject. Its honestly not worth my effort. Either believe me and my defense or don't, but I am not going to waste any more time trying to convince people that I am who I am.

That's cool. You've said your words and we've said ours.
 

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All I have done is stated how I feel about the video. I have done no name calling and am just airing my skepticism. I feel completely comfortable doing this as many others feel the same.



You thought that if you scrambled wrong I'd accuse you of cheating? Why would you assume that before making the video?

Faz has beyond proven himself, this video just leaves doubts.



We're not fishing. A few different things seem to point to this being the case. The main thing for me is just /how/ you turn. You don't turn like a fast cuber. You seem to do all the really difficult things about being fast with ease, yet the easy things are not covered.



Yes. You felt like you had to prove yourself, it's not a stretch to think that you fabricated this for the sake of that.

It's weird for you to say that it can't be fake because if it was fake it'd be faster.

Also, it'd take less time to make a fake video than to do the 150 solves you said you did, so the 'wasting time' point doesn't really amount to much.



It's not just one thing, it's the combination of all of them. The solves just /look/ so fake, they're completely unrealistic.



"only 3 seconds"?



Since when does having at least a 12.5 second average prove anything about your times. Since when does single solve = average.



The LL was 0.38 seconds slower than the LL on your 7. Saying you messed up PLL doesn't explain anything about why the time was slow.



You didn't mess up on your claimed 8.64 average.



The first three look rehearsed. Not sure about the 10, and the 12 obviously wasn't.



It's certainly possible. Just like it's certainly possible that you had a sub10 average when you 'averaged 14' (lol). Looking at it though, I'm not so sure.



Uhm, you don't need to "nearly not pause or have at least decent lookahead" to average 14.



What's odd about that? You posted a sketchy video. Completely warranted.



No, just that it's extremely unlikely. And if it did happen, it wouldn't look like this.



Sure they can. It's very unlikely, but they can. Again, it doesn't look like that's what happened though.



"I didn't want to post any reasons only for people to say "NONE OF THIS IS PROOF"."



Not at all. I've done this before - I've been either shown to be correct or we never found out in all the cases in the past.



Why?! I'm just calling something as I see it. It's not a personal attack. This stuff happens from time to time with videos that look a bit abnormal.

Does no one remember Ando? There are loads of his solves we've considered fake, and still do. He even has fast official results. If anything, we have less reason to believe his videos are fake than yours, yet the general consesnsus was that it was fake.



In what way is what I'm doing childish? I'm just giving my opinion.



You posted a sketchy video after we thought your claimed times weren't true.



Why would contributions make use ignore what we have seen and believe?

I posted positive stuff in your LL recog idea thread. I've not posted ni a lot of your threads.

Stop exaggerating.



What have I done here that is harrasment? I've been perfectly amicable since you returned, even nice at some points. I'm just airing concerns here, rightfully so.



It's rare to see something like this happen because people normally post legit videos, but it does happen.



That's fine man! Let people make up their own minds. People are curently divided on this issue and can believe who they want to.



Your conduct in the past hasn't always been civil.



2000 people minimum have done sub9.32 avg5? Seriously doubt that.



Here's mine :3



That's cool. You've said your words and we've said ours.

So I am done with this convo as I said before you posted this and I have no need to respond to you, but i woud just like to point you to an article which I think sums up what I think you are doing here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bias

O and yes I do think that at least 2000 people have at 1 point or another achieved this average. Probably not much more but ya, a sub ten average of 5 is not that hard impossible. Maybe not necesarrily a low sub 10 but sub 10 in general. The point I was making was that its a little ridiculous to think that I would do all of this just for you or to make people like me. If you don't think my solves look real than you are not paying nearly enough attention to the pauses I do make and the many lock ups due to my rushing and getting excited from how good the solves where or my hesitations and near U/U's as I almost over turned from getting jittery. Also, please try these solves yourself, they are not hard so getting sub 10 on them was easy. Especially the 3rd solve that was a give away double x to any competent CN solver and it ended with two lucky pairs, I bet you if that had been a white cross most solvers would have done excellently on it.
 
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So I am done with this convo as I said before you posted this and I have no need to respond to you, but i woud just like to point you to an article which I think sums up what I think you are doing here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bias

How can you say you're done when in the same post you continue? All you're doing is refusing to reply to my points while still making more of your own.

No need to patronise me, in my first post in this thread I worried that I was being biased.

However, after many people agreed with me, I realised that my actions were warranted.
 

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How can you say you're done when in the same post you continue? All you're doing is refusing to reply to my points while still making more of your own..

THIS. Think about it..
Also, you're saying we're biased.. because? You're biased because it's you, but why would we be biased?
 

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How can you say you're done when in the same post you continue? All you're doing is refusing to reply to my points while still making more of your own.

No need to patronise me, in my first post in this thread I worried that I was being biased.

However, after many people agreed with me, I realised that my actions were warranted.

What points do you have? all that you have said is that I looked like I was performing too UNREAL or prepared which I say any near pb solve for a sub 15 cuber is almost certainly going to be. Also please read my edited previous post.
 

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Sorry for butting in, but just stop arguing. jskyler, you said you wouldn't continue the conversation anymore and Kirjava, you have stated your opinion more than once in this thread. None of you have enough proof to support your points.

Let's hear the opinions of other people.
This argument seems too childish to me.
 

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THIS. Think about it..
Also, you're saying we're biased.. because? You're biased because it's you, but why would we be biased?

Yes, but specifically he is looking for a reason for me to be faking and thus he is finding perfectly logically explainable things as suspect. Its possible to come up with reasons why anything could be fake but just because you say its possible doesn't make it so and especially if you come in wanting to believe something you will find a way. You guys are disecting my solves down to the point that even my slight pauses due to loosing my place are seen as definitive proof that I cheated, I mean come on, yes I could be conducting a massive scene to fool you all or.. I could have lost my place. Which one is more likely. In all of the examples you guys have given of my fakeness it is always still more likely that I was telling the truth and only a chance that I was cheating yet you immediately assume that the less likely thing is true? How is that a proper form of assessment?

Also Kir, it is incredibly late here and that is way I do not feel like writing a crazy long response to quell your curiosities. We live in completely different parts of the world dude, you can't expect me to cater to you immediately every time, especially not when you are making nothing more that suppositional and highly interpretable claims such as my solve just /look/ fake. Why should I waste my time on that?
 

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Sorry for butting in, but just stop arguing. jskyler, you said you wouldn't continue the conversation anymore and Kirjava, you have stated your opinion more than once in this thread. None of you have enough proof to support your points.

Let's hear the opinions of other people.
This argument seems too childish to me.

Agreed, I am not engaging anymore. Please make up your own minds based on the facts people and always remember that if you come in trying to prove that I am faking something you will probably find a way. I am not perfect and if you come in trying to think I am faking then any mistakes I make no matter how minor or common (I think a lot of people loose track while scrambling especially really late at night after a long day of work and 150 plus solves)

So much for avoiding the flame wars this time around Skyler XD
Its a neverending uphill battle. The faster I get, the less people will want to believe me for some reason. Apparently my improvement is frowned upon in this forum. Just so everyone knows I am not here to challenge anyone or bring anyone down, I just want to help and share my successes and failures with younger generations of cubers so they can learn from them.
 
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So I am done with this convo as I said before you posted this and I have no need to respond to you, but i woud just like to point you to an article which I think sums up what I think you are doing here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bias

If you need an unbiased response: The way you react to criticism make you look very suspicious. From your responses alone one could come to the conclusion that you faked your video. I haven't even watched the video yet (will do that now) and I'm almost convinced you cheated. Stay rational and address other people's points, otherwise you do more harm than good.
 
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