Waffle's Roux Tutorial

[Cool Frog]

Yep! That's the one Thom told me about. Thanks.

Anyone have any other good ones?

I use an alternative for when that 6 flip leaves shitty UL/UR cases.

M U' F' R' F M' F' R F

 

[TwisterTimmy]

Hi Everyone,

I want to ask if anyone had tips on how to transition well from Fridrich to Roux? Since I did my research and practiced Roux a few times, however, I havent been able to improve my time at all! Using Fridrich/CFOP I average 31.75 (avg of 100), but using Roux I average around 55-65 seconds, with a lucky PB of 40 seconds. Any help with practice methods will be greatly appreciated, and to point out what I find my weaknesses are, I will list them down below:

1. Block Building, I still cant get rid of the CFOP's F2L habits and use the full cube

2. Second block (i find) is extremely difficult without using F2L

3. Slow when orienting the last 6 edges

I believe that those 3 are my 3 biggest weakness, however, ANY tips and practice techniques could help! (Currently I'm following Waffle's 'Guide to sub 15')

 

[PandaCuber]

Look at other roux solves. Learn their style. Adopt it. Practice no rotations and soon you will become pro.

 

[cowabunga]

(Currently I'm following Waffle's 'Guide to sub 15')

I am as well. At your current speed just keep doing lots of solves and you will improve.
Try not to time every solve and find more efficient ways to make blocks.
Oh and have patience

 

[Smiles]

I too would like some critique and help on my block building.

Scramble with white on top green in front.

First block examples

1. Scramble: B' F D L R2 D' B2 U2 B2 F U B' R U2 B' F' R B2 R F' D2 L' B' F' U B L R' D B2

Solve: U2 L2 U x' U2 R' U2 B

2. Scramble: F' D L' D U' R2 F2 R2 D' B F2 L2 U2 R U2 R' U' L R' D' U' B' R' D' L' R' F' D2 L' D'

Solve: x2 y2 M2 D2 L D' x' U2 L D' M' F'

Thanks!

Tell me if i've done anything wrong with me notation or anything.

okay i'm not a pro, but

1. F U' L U' R y L' U L
that's what i would have done, but yours is fine too. the U2 B at the end could have been L2 F' L2 for an easier finger trick.

2. U' D' R F R U' L' y L U' L', or, y2 U' B2 U' F' L U' R2 L' U L
your solve would have an L2 at the end, so technically all these solves are 10 STM. I saw these 1 QTM pairs more easily, since usually M2 pairs aren't apparent to me.

if you analyze my solves compared to yours, they're about just as good. the only difference is that i'm saving a few SQTM and not using x rotations, but that doesn't really make a difference. your blocks are good.

1. Block Building, I still cant get rid of the CFOP's F2L habits and use the full cube

2. Second block (i find) is extremely difficult without using F2L

3. Slow when orienting the last 6 edges

Look at some example solves, and try to find out what they're doing for first block. For second block, experiment with orienting edges with the M slice, and using double layer turns to preserve corner-edge pairs. make sure you're not rotating. if you ever want to rotate the cube because of a certain "F2L" case, try this:
get the edge that you want to insert to the UF/UB position, then do an M/M' turn to orient it, then proceed normally. that might be a bit confusing.

I believe that those 3 are my 3 biggest weakness, however, ANY tips and practice techniques could help! (Currently I'm following Waffle's 'Guide to sub 15')

How colour neutral are you? Like do you have fixed L/R colours? Fixed U/D colours? If your U/D colours are always the same, then you should have no problem recognizing the LSE orientation cases.

EO tips: there are always an even number of edges oriented / disoriented. Since you can only see 5 edges at once (all of U, and FD), you can use deduction to reason whether the BD edge is oriented or not. when practicing, make sure you don't look around during EO. do not rotate even if you really want to.
For example, if there are 3 bad edges on the U face and FD is a good edge, then the BD edge is a bad edge.

good edge / bad edge recognition:
Assume white/yellow are your U/D colours. look for the white and yellow edge stickers. If any sticker on the U face is not white/yellow, it is not oriented. if you just glance at the U face, white and yellow kinda blur together and you can easily see which one is not white/yellow.
Since white/yellow must also be facing down on the D layer, it shouldn't be facing forward. So if you see white/yellow on the F face, it is not oriented. If you see any other colour on the FD sticker, it is oriented.

 

[TwisterTimmy]

~snip~

Hey, thanks for the tips! I found the EO tips extremely useful and I'm practicing right now to take away the need to look around the cube and find un-oriented edges Thanks again! I'll make sure I keep all that in mind!

-TwisterTimmy

I am as well. At your current speed just keep doing lots of solves and you will improve.
Try not to time every solve and find more efficient ways to make blocks.
Oh and have patience

I hope you're doing well on the guide, I find it extremely helpful to know general guidelines when at a certain speed Also, I'll try and have patience! Its just very difficult for me since I'm an avg 30 seconds cuber on CFOP already (though thats not fast at all) and now I have to "start over"

Thank you for all the support though (thats to everyone!)

- TwisterTimmy

 

[Xishem]

Any fast recognition systems for L6E on adjacent NMB? I've messed around with it for a while and can't find anything decent.

I guess I should say, specifically for orientation. Permutation isn't... bad, but orientation is a nightmare.

 

[Bestsimple]

Thanks heaps for the advice btw what's SQTM?

 

[JasonK]

Thanks heaps for the advice btw what's SQTM?

SQTM = Slice Quarter-Turn Metric. It's a cross between STM and QTM: slice moves (M, E etc) are one move but half-turns (U2, M2 etc) are two moves.

 

[Kirjava]

Any fast recognition systems for L6E on adjacent NMB? I've messed around with it for a while and can't find anything decent.

I guess I should say, specifically for orientation. Permutation isn't... bad, but orientation is a nightmare.

No idea. Are you able to recog corners easily? How?

 

[MWilson]

What is NMB?

 

[Brest]

What is NMB?

Non-Matching Blocks

 

[Xishem]

No idea. Are you able to recog corners easily? How?

"Easily". I just use hyperorientation recog.

 

[Athefre]

Any fast recognition systems for L6E on adjacent NMB? I've messed around with it for a while and can't find anything decent.

I guess I should say, specifically for orientation. Permutation isn't... bad, but orientation is a nightmare.

I've been working on this problem for a while. The simplest way is to track the UR edge during the second block and CLL and with the last move of the second block align the centers to match the left block. Or the other way around if you prefer. This way when you get to LSE you already have the required information about the edge that isn't like the others.

 

[chimchu]

can someonehelp me decide between roux and fridrich? i like the idea of roux but i want to eventually be able to solve in around 7 seconds, or maybe even go for the record. i dont really have time to memorise the 130 algs for basic fridrich but i already use a beginer method similar to fridrich. can i hear your input?

 

[ottozing]

If you don't have the time to learn 130 algorithms, you don't have the time to get sub 8 seconds. Deal with it.

 

[waffle=ijm]

can someonehelp me decide between roux and fridrich? i like the idea of roux but i want to eventually be able to solve in around 7 seconds, or maybe even go for the record. i dont really have time to memorise the 130 algs for basic fridrich but i already use a beginer method similar to fridrich. can i hear your input?

Roux users are getting fast. Speed isn't really determined by method rather the time and practice you put into getting better. For example, I seldom practice nowadays and I don't improve anymore. I could get faster if I practiced more but I'm lazy and choose not to.

Saying you don't have time to learn anything new is like saying you want to be fast without effort and that just doesn't happen.

 

[RubiXer]

If you don't have the time to learn 130 algorithms, you don't have the time to get sub 8 seconds. Deal with it.

This is so true. Also Chimchu I did it in less than 5 months...

 

[chimchu]

i'm not lazy, just studying for finals. i will learn fridrich eventually i just mean is it worthwhile to start fridrich now, or try roux and see if i like it better

and will i get as good with "m" finger tricks as i am with "u"? because i do think the roux method could be as fast, but i'm afraid i would'nt be as good at it because i'm used to the layer by layer.

 

[waffle=ijm]

i'm not lazy, just studying for finals. i will learn fridrich eventually i just mean is it worthwhile to start fridrich now, or try roux and see if i like it better

Well my suggestion is getting your priorities straight. Study first then cube later. Trust me, the cubing world is fast paced but that does not mean you won't be able to catch up later.

and will i get as good with "m" finger tricks as i am with "u"? because i do think the roux method could be as fast, but i'm afraid i would'nt be as good at it because i'm used to the layer by layer.

M turns take sometime to get used to when transitioning from LBL. But you get better at it the more you use it.