Kirjava
Colourful
np babes 
5BLD's And PandaCuber's Roux Tutorial
- Thread starter PandaCuber
- Start date
- Status
arcio1
Veteran
Definitely yes. I started learning when I reached sub19 ao5, now I have terrible recognition..
Renslay
Legend
Lately, I made a 16.66 average on the Hungarian Open, with a 13.40 (non-lucky) single. Awesome!
arcio1
Veteran
Could you give me any tips for CMLL recognition? Please, don't write "practise", I have done at least 1000 solves using CMLL already and recognition still takes me a few seconds. L and Pi are worst.
Btw. new PBs:
ao12: 20.26
mo100: 23.66
Btw. new PBs:
ao12: 20.26
mo100: 23.66
PandaCuber
Veteran
Look at the color patterns.
Over time, youll be able to recognize cases in a flash.
Over time, youll be able to recognize cases in a flash.
Renslay
Legend
Here is my recognition system.
Case A: easy to recognise.
Case B: well-oriented corner at UBL. Look at the color pairs LUB-UFL and LUF-UFR. same-same means B1, opp-opp means B6, and every other case one of the pairs is same (or opposite) and the other pair is neutral. E.g. blue-green for LUB-UFL pair and red-blue for LUF-UFR means I need a swap on the left cubies: B5.
Case C: well-oriented corner at UFL. Color pairs to look at: LUF-UBL and LUB-UBR. Same rules as above.
Case D: well-oriented corners at UFL-UBR, also a top-side color sticker at FUR. Color pairs to look at: UFR-RUB and RFU-FLU. Same roles as above.
Case E, F, G and H are the same as Waffle's, see here:
http://wafflelikescubes.webs.com/cmllalgorithms.htm
Just as PandaCuber said, look for patterns for same/opposite/neutral color pairs on the key positions for a case. If you still need help, send a PM to me.
Iggy
Legend
Woah, just got a 16.38 single, 2-look CMLL and LSE skip!
already1329
Regular
- Joined
- Apr 1, 2012
- Messages
- 213
Congratulations.
I'm sub-20 with Roux now.
Average of 12: 17.80
16.33, 14.69, 17.61, 19.31, (22.02), 19.00, (13.06), 17.38, 16.21, 20.05, 18.96, 18.41
Last edited:
PandaCuber
Veteran
Niceeeeeee
Tyjet66
Veteran
I'm slowly learning Roux. I currently use CFOP's 2-look OLL for orienting corners, then Y-perm and T-perm for permuting them. I then use OLL 17 and 44 for orienting edges (if the edges I need to orient are on bottom, I do M2 to bring them up.) From there I solve UL/UR and then intuitively solve then last four edges. I'm just trying to get used to this method before diving into algorithms.
Does this seem like a good way to start learning? If not, what should I change?
Also, thanks for your site, it's going to be a lot of help in the foreseeable future.
Does this seem like a good way to start learning? If not, what should I change?
Also, thanks for your site, it's going to be a lot of help in the foreseeable future.
Ickathu
Veteran
Oh gosh no.
Firstly: for orienting corners, you know that you don't have to do EO first? Just the corners.
Secondly: CP is good (but I prefer J-perm to T-perm, but that's personal preference)
Thirdly: Orienting edges should not be done with OLLs. Once you finish corners, everything else should be solved using only M and U (and E, but that's only one case). Check out some LSE videos on youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ac6L6x-NEm8 (Can a mod make this one imbedded as well? Thanks)
Last edited by a moderator:
PandaCuber
Veteran
5BLDS "even shorter lse tutorial" is a really bad video for a beginner lol.
Waffle explains LSE pretty good
Waffle explains LSE pretty good
Last edited by a moderator:
Tyjet66
Veteran
I do CO -> CP -> EO -> EP. So unless I'm missing something, my order is right there. I chose those two OLLs for EO as they don't mess up the corners and I already knew them, but I'll look into better algs.
I watched Donnovan's EP tutorial and that's pretty much how I do it, I just don't know the algs for every case. I just figure them out intuitively quite easily.
Waffle's video didn't help too much as he just seemed to state "do these three mini-algs to cycle through edges." I understand that they link to different cases, but how is the more efficient than the OLLs I'm using? It just seems to add a layer of guess work to it.
Edit: Instead of cycling from case, to case, to case, why not do the specific alg to solve the EO? Am I missing something here?
I watched Donnovan's EP tutorial and that's pretty much how I do it, I just don't know the algs for every case. I just figure them out intuitively quite easily.
Waffle's video didn't help too much as he just seemed to state "do these three mini-algs to cycle through edges." I understand that they link to different cases, but how is the more efficient than the OLLs I'm using? It just seems to add a layer of guess work to it.
Edit: Instead of cycling from case, to case, to case, why not do the specific alg to solve the EO? Am I missing something here?
Last edited:
Ickathu
Veteran
Because that's not roux.
Plus, you'll get to the point where the EO is instantaneous, almost like your executing an alg, even though you didn't learn one. I bet if we had a race, the times would be nearly the same, or the MU user might be faster even. Do an ao25 using the MU scrambler on qqtimer. Just time EO, no inspection allowed.
1.47, 0.05, 1.93, 2.59, 0.09, 2.67, 2.22, 3.69, 2.58, 2.07, 0.78, 3.69, 2.47, 1.65, 1.84, 3.71, 6.17, 2.52, 5.83, 2.63, 2.49, 2.59, 0.94, 1.25, 2.41
number of times: 25/25
best time: 0.05
worst time: 6.17
current mo3: 1.53 (σ = 0.77)
best mo3: 1.15 (σ = 0.98)
current avg5: 2.05 (σ = 0.69)
best avg5: 1.16 (σ = 0.96)
current avg12: 2.69 (σ = 1.29)
best avg12: 2.01 (σ = 1.03)
session avg: 2.29 (σ = 0.81)
session mean: 2.41
Plus, MU EO flows better with the rest of the LSE. And you can learn to force things like UL/UR skips that you can't do with OLL stuff.
I'll do an entire LSE ao25 too, but I want to let you know first that I suck at LSE. I think my times are probably about twice as high as they should be for my average, but I haven't done any LSE averages in a while, so we'll see.
7.17, 6.33, 6.74, 4.54, 7.31, 3.65, 9.80, 8.21, 6.26, 3.82, 7.78, 6.83, 7.16, 5.87, 6.63, 4.70, 8.82, 6.39, 4.48, 5.84, 5.49, 6.99, 6.52, 9.00, 6.59
number of times: 25/25
best time: 3.65
worst time: 9.80
current mo3: 7.37 (σ = 1.41)
best mo3: 5.17 (σ = 1.91)
current avg5: 6.70 (σ = 0.25)
best avg5: 5.64 (σ = 0.86)
current avg12: 6.38 (σ = 1.09)
best avg12: 6.12 (σ = 1.05)
session avg: 6.51 (σ = 1.12)
session mean: 6.52
@5bld and panda, are these LSE times good now for what I'm averaging (27)? It's better than my 9 second avgs I was getting a few months ago!
Yeah, the order is fine. I just don't like the way you do EO.
Last edited:
PandaCuber
Veteran
Was that 0.05 an EO skip?
Cycling is good for another reason: Makes lookahead easier.
Personally, i find it incredibly difficult to track pieces while doing algs.
Plus its not even that hard.
Cycling is good for another reason: Makes lookahead easier.
Personally, i find it incredibly difficult to track pieces while doing algs.
Plus its not even that hard.
Ickathu
Veteran
Yeah. The 0.09 was an M' iirc
That seems really fast for M' though. It might have been skip too.
Tyjet66
Veteran
That's all I needed to hear. I'll start working on cycling.
arcio1
Veteran
Thanks for answers 
Just did LSE ao12.
5.66, 5.77[DOTS], 7.29, 5.89, 6.14[DOTS], 4.58, 4.22, 3.32, 6.13, 5.36, 5.39, 5.11 = 5.43
Is this slow/fast/normal for my times? My mean of 100 is about 23 and yesterday I did 19.99 ao12.
Just did LSE ao12.
5.66, 5.77[DOTS], 7.29, 5.89, 6.14[DOTS], 4.58, 4.22, 3.32, 6.13, 5.36, 5.39, 5.11 = 5.43
Is this slow/fast/normal for my times? My mean of 100 is about 23 and yesterday I did 19.99 ao12.
Iggy
Legend
Finally got a sub-20 avg5:
17.58, 21.88, 17.61, 19.31, 25.55 = 19.60
17.58, 21.88, 17.61, 19.31, 25.55 = 19.60
PandaCuber
Veteran
Thanks for answers
Just did LSE ao12.
5.66, 5.77[DOTS], 7.29, 5.89, 6.14[DOTS], 4.58, 4.22, 3.32, 6.13, 5.36, 5.39, 5.11 = 5.43
Is this slow/fast/normal for my times? My mean of 100 is about 23 and yesterday I did 19.99 ao12.
Your LSE times are pretty good. You might need to work on Blocks instead.
- Status
Similar threads
