Older cubers discussions

[Endgame]

I couldn't give worse advice. Use the method that is most comfortable. "Methods don't have speeds"

The best path was never the easiest one.

I smell contradiction.

 

[ThomasJE]

I smell contradiction.

It doesn't matter whether you learn 1 method or 10 methods; it requires dedication to be truly fast.

 

[Endgame]

It doesn't matter whether you learn 1 method or 10 methods; it requires dedication to be truly fast.

Well what do you recommend? Dedication or the most comfortable method?

 

[MarcelP]

If you want to be truly faster, learn a block building method

Building blocks is very difficult. Yes I can solve the cube with Roux method. I have tried a few days. But I think CFOP is my thing for now. I have deep respect for the ones that sub 15 with Roux but I think I will never be a fast Roux-er.

Do you know the right notation? I don't get the same state with the same scramble. Try looking at the scrambled cube in PPT. Your cube should look the same.

Yes, I know the notation of course (how would I ever have learned full PLL ) But that 31 sec solve propably had a slip of the finger then. That would explain that I could not do it again in 31 secs. I will post one of the 38 sec solves on this scramble later. Just to see if it looks like what it should look like

Edit: here is the video

 

[ThomasJE]

MarcelP 38.23 single

Spoiler: Video

B2 U' B2 D R2 B2 U' B2 D' F2 U2 L' F' R' D B D' B R2 U' L2 U2

y x2 // Inspection
L' U' l' U' (x' y') U' y' R2 U F2 // Cross
U y' L' U L // F2L 1
U U' y R' U' U' U R U' R' U R // F2L 2
R U' R' U' R U' R' R U' R' U y L' U' L // F2L 3 (and set up F2L 4)
y' U y' U R U' U R' d' L' U L // F2L 4
r y R U R' d' x R' // EO
U R U2 R2 U' R2 U' R2 U' U' R // CO
L U' R' U L' U2 R U' R' U2 R U // PLL
View at alg.garron.us

Spoiler: Stats

[B]Step	Time	HTM	HTPS	ETM	ETPS[/B]
[COLOR="#FF0000"]Total	38.23	65	1.70	80	2.09[/COLOR]
Cross+1	10.03	12	1.20	15	1.50
F2L	24.85	35	1.41	49	1.97
LL	13.38	28	2.09	31	2.32

[B]%	Time	HTM	ETM[/B]		
F2L	65.0%	53.8%	61.3%		
LL	35.0%	43.1%	38.8%

Well... Less moves, less TPS... and less time! Just proves that speed is not the only thing. F2L was MUCH more efficient, and LL was good too. And doing PLL's before AUF and not after will also help in the future. You also do f R U R' U' f' in a weird way. Do it just like a bar EO (F R U R' U' F'), but put your index finger on the S slice for wide f turns, like you put your finger on the F layer for standard F turns. I think your main focus should be on F2L at the monent. So, concentrate on that, and then post another video in 2-3 weeks time, and we'll compare the solves.

 

[Schmidt]

It looks like the scramble is correct now.
Now work on crosses:
L' U' l' U' (x' y') U' y' R2 U F2 // Yours
U2 L' D' R' F' L' // the way I would do it

 

[MarcelP]

Well... Less moves, less TPS... and less time! Just proves that speed is not the only thing. F2L was MUCH more efficient, and LL was good too. And doing PLL's before AUF and not after will also help in the future. You also do f R U R' U' f' in a weird way. Do it just like a bar EO (F R U R' U' F'), but put your index finger on the S slice for wide f turns, like you put your finger on the F layer for standard F turns. I think your main focus should be on F2L at the monent. So, concentrate on that, and then post another video in 2-3 weeks time, and we'll compare the solves.

Thanks Thomas. That is what I will do. I have been focusing on F2L almost all the time since I started in mid June. But the last month had been in the light of PLL. I am happy that after each OLL I now always know what to do But you are right about that my main gain is in F2L. It is also the most difficult part of the complete solve. I know what you mean with the weird turn f R U R' U' f'. I have been doing that since the beginning and it is hard to get rid of I will do the F R U R' U' F' for a while and see if can get rid of that nasty habit.

It looks like the scramble is correct now.
Now work on crosses:
L' U' l' U' (x' y') U' y' R2 U F2 // Yours
U2 L' D' R' F' L' // the way I would do it

If only I could do that. You guys are so good at that. Really, that is not something I will pick up any time soon. I dedicate cross training as a part of my daily routine. I have gotten much better, but I am not nearly as efficient as all of you guys.

 

[Goosly]

If only I could do that. You guys are so good at that. Really, that is not something I will pick up any time soon. I dedicate cross training as a part of my daily routine. I have gotten much better, but I am not nearly as efficient as all of you guys.

Come to Amstelveen Open, it's much easier if we can see you solve (a cross) and then explain what you can improve. Youtube tutorials are good, but individual teaching is even better

 

[Schmidt]

....and see if can get rid of that nasty habit....

That goes for crosses as well. The more 12 - 15 move crosses you make the harder it will be to get rid of those habits. All crosses should be 8 moves or less( except for a few finger trick friendly exceptions)

 

[MarcelP]

Come to Amstelveen Open, it's much easier if we can see you solve (a cross) and then explain what you can improve. Youtube tutorials are good, but individual teaching is even better

I am in doubt. I promised my wife we would go out and celebrate our wedding aniversery. I might shuffle around with the dates.

That goes for crosses as well. The more 12 - 15 move crosses you make the harder it will be to get rid of those habits. All crosses should be 8 moves or less( except for a few finger trick friendly exceptions)

Yes, you are right. I had promised my self to start working on few step crosses. I did about a hundred timed solves today and on all of them I concentrated on the cross. I thought out at least 3 pieces before I started to solve. Kind of fun actually. But it cost more energy. After the 100 solves I was really done.

 

[Schmidt]

I am in doubt. I promised my wife we would go out and celebrate our wedding aniversery. I might shuffle around with the dates.

Wives! A few years ago I played the kids card game"Yu-Gi-Oh!". I was so good that I qualified for the European Championship. I had to explain to her that I had to go to Germany Friday to Monday , leaving her with our 3 months old son. She gave me permission

Yes, you are right. I had promised my self to start working on few step crosses. I did about a hundred timed solves today and on all of them I concentrated on the cross. I thought out at least 3 pieces before I started to solve. Kind of fun actually. But it cost more energy. After the 100 solves I was really done.

You don't have to time every solve.
You are old enough to get this:

[PROTIP]

Spoiler

Get a toilet cube and work on untimed stuff!

[/PROTIP]

 

[MarcelP]

A small update..

I did an early bird Sunday morning session of 12 without warming up:

Mean: 42.27
Standard deviation: 2.13
Best Time: 37.31
Worst Time: 45.21

Best average of 5: 41.34
6-10 - 41.26 41.67 (37.31) (45.21) 41.09

Best average of 12: 42.48
1-12 - 41.64 44.92 44.01 41.93 43.78 41.26 41.67 (37.31) (45.21) 41.09 43.93 40.54

I really like the fact that I see improvement. Even better, my times are getting really consistent. I have dropped 6 seconds of my averages of 12 in about two weeks. Yay!

 

[Goosly]

You improve so fast

I am in doubt. I promised my wife we would go out and celebrate our wedding aniversery. I might shuffle around with the dates.

Good luck with that

 

[MarcelP]

Good luck with that

She did not fall for that trick. So Amstelveen is not an option.

You improve so fast

I am quite happy with my improvement. But then again, I really devote time into getting faster. ;-)

 

[moralsh]

Marcel, you continue to be my reference

other oldie also improving

Average of 5: 46.37

Spoiler

1. 41.68 D' L2 R2 D' B2 R2 U L2 R2 U' B2 F R2 U' L F' D' L B' F2 L2
2. (36.94) R' F' L2 F2 L' B' U' L D2 B R2 F2 B2 U2 D' B2 D F2 L2 U'
3. 46.05 B R' U' R D2 L' U2 F' B' L D2 F2 D2 L2 U R2 U' F2 U L2 D'
4. (55.39) D2 L' B' U F' D F' B' R2 L' B D2 F2 U2 F' D2 R2 B' L2 F' D2
5. 51.38 B2 L2 D2 L' B2 D2 B2 L2 D2 R' D2 F L D B' F D U' L' B2 F

although my times are still all over the place. My goal is to be sub 30 by christmas, I don't think I can do much more than that.

 

[MarcelP]

Hi Moralsh (what's your real name

That is pretty good. Less than 15 seconds deviation. You will get there for sure by Christimass. I will be happy with sub 40 averages by then.

 

[moralsh]

Hi Moralsh (what's your real name

it's Raúl (Like a famous football player, now almost retired) mi nick is almost my surname, google tells you if you are curious

That is pretty good. Less than 15 seconds deviation. You will get there for sure by Christimass. I will be happy with sub 40 averages by then.

You're just being humble, if you're not sub 30 by then, odds are neither will I.

We'll see, we'll see

 

[MarcelP]

You're just being humble, if you're not sub 30 by then, odds are neither will I.

We'll see, we'll see

No Raúl, I am being realistic. I am pretty sure that it will be very hard for me to make progress in this stage. I am confident that times will drop, how ever nothing more than one or two seconds per month. So averages of sub 30 is for me not realistic. I would be very nice if they happen around Christmas though

 

[ThomasJE]

Hi Moralsh (what's your real name

That is pretty good. Less than 15 seconds deviation. You will get there for sure by Christimass. I will be happy with sub 40 averages by then.

You'll be sub-30 by then. I went from 1 min to sub-30 in 4 months, and you've got half that distance to go in the same time. And you are improving faster than I was.

 

[F perm]

I got sub-30 in a month (not bragging), and I suck at everything, so anything is possible.
Practicing like you are, and improving like you are, I agree with ThomasJE, you can do it.
Good luck!