Should stickerless cubes be allowed in WCA competition?

[Bob]

It's not a border around the face of each cubie that's needed, it's a different colour on the inside of the pieces, but that's not possible with the current design of the Dayan cubes.

It's both. The cube violates the regulations in more than one way.

 

[markthema3]

It's both. The cube violates the regulations in more than one way.

So does every tiled cube in existance. Period. End of story. By the logic used against stickerless cubes, tiled cubes should be banned. Their "advantage" may be less significant, but it's still there. I say either ban tiled cubes or alow stickerless. Personally I lean toward allowing stickerless, but that's because stickers are annoying in that they have to be replaced.

 

[Bob]

So does every tiled cube in existance. Period. End of story. By the logic used against stickerless cubes, tiled cubes should be banned. Their "advantage" may be less significant, but it's still there. I say either ban tiled cubes or alow stickerless. Personally I lean toward allowing stickerless, but that's because stickers are annoying in that they have to be replaced.

No, not all tiled cubes. In fact, not even most of them.

 

[Hunter]

We are up to 60% yesses!

 

[Petro Leum]

I support this 100%

the alleged advantage of stickerless cubes while solving is complete ********. to find out what colour is on another side of the cube, a half rotation or turn would be 10x more efficient.


The only advantage is that you can get rid of peeling stickers, elaborate and costy restickering and also discussions whether stickers are to damaged to be permitted.

 

[Hunter]

^ Now we are talking!

 

[Daniel Wu]

Even with all of these arguments for stickerless cubes being allowed, until 3d is changed, stickerless cubes are never going to be competition legal. Arguably, this cube violates more than just 3d, but at the very least this cube clearly does not comply with 3d.

 

[cfelicella]

The main reason why I think many people want to use sticker less cubes, is that it's so much smoother compared to a regular stickered cube. Sticker less cubes are made ABS plastic whereas stickered cubes are made with ABS mixed PBC. I do see why they're illegal. Elite cubers defiantly would have an advantage by possibly knowing what colours the hidden edges or corners are. Overall, I think it should be used only for blindfolding, and the rules should stay the way they are.

 

[Petro Leum]

The main reason why I think many people want to use sticker less cubes, is that it's so much smoother compared to a regular stickered cube. Sticker less cubes are made ABS plastic whereas stickered cubes are made with ABS mixed PBC. I do see why they're illegal. Elite cubers defiantly would have an advantage by possibly knowing what colours the hidden edges or corners are. Overall, I think it should be used only for blindfolding, and the rules should stay the way they are.

Not really. have you tried it out? most of the time the face you turned to view the inside of the cubie on the back conceal mentioned cubie. and if it doesnt, its much harder to do it this way than just doing a half x' or a L/R'. btw, elite cubers have an advantage over beginners because... guess what? theyre elite.

 

[Cheese11]

The main reason why I think many people want to use sticker less cubes, is that it's so much smoother compared to a regular stickered cube. Sticker less cubes are made ABS plastic whereas stickered cubes are made with ABS mixed PBC. I do see why they're illegal. Elite cubers defiantly would have an advantage by possibly knowing what colours the hidden edges or corners are. Overall, I think it should be used only for blindfolding, and the rules should stay the way they are.

The main argument is that you wouldn't be able to see the colours at the speed "elite" cubers turn at.

Which is why I am for them being legalized.

 

[5BLD]

A fast cuber should be able to see what the hidden edge is on a nonstickerless cube simply by look ahead.

Even I can from just lookahead know whats on BL/BR/ even DB which is not a hidden edge but actually a blind spot

 

[Cubenovice]

The main reason why I think many people want to use sticker less cubes, is that it's so much smoother compared to a regular stickered cube. Sticker less cubes are made ABS plastic whereas stickered cubes are made with ABS mixed PBC. I do see why they're illegal. Elite cubers defiantly would have an advantage by possibly knowing what colours the hidden edges or corners are. Overall, I think it should be used only for blindfolding, and the rules should stay the way they are.

Whut?
Whut?
Not this again...

 

[mDiPalma]

yo dude

if im memoing for a blindsolve on a stickerless, can't i rotate the U layer 20 degrees and memo fazter?

 

[Hunter]

On top of all that, if you really think you will be at a large disadvantage by not using a stickerless cube, feel free to go buy one.

yo dude

if im memoing for a blindsolve on a stickerless, can't i rotate the U layer 20 degrees and memo fazter?

Technically yes, its only a turn when you get to 45.0001 degrees. Might want to clear with the judge first though.

 

[Endgame]

The main reason why I think many people want to use sticker less cubes, is that it's so much smoother compared to a regular stickered cube. Sticker less cubes are made ABS plastic whereas stickered cubes are made with ABS mixed PBC. I do see why they're illegal. Elite cubers defiantly would have an advantage by possibly knowing what colours the hidden edges or corners are. Overall, I think it should be used only for blindfolding, and the rules should stay the way they are.

Welcome to 2012, where PVC is spelled PBC and opinions are objective.

 

[cubernya]

Technically yes, its only a turn when you get to 45.0001 degrees. Might want to clear with the judge first though.

Not quite. The regs only define that at the end of the solve. IMO (as mentioned earlier in the thread) the judge should DNF you if you keep doing turns during memo (even <45)

 

[mDiPalma]

Not quite. The regs only define that at the end of the solve. IMO (as mentioned earlier in the thread) the judge should DNF you if you keep doing turns during memo (even <45)

this is exactly my point. which is an easier regulation to enforce during blindsolving: NO STICKERLESS CUBES ...or... NO TURNING ANY SIDE OF THE CUBE ANY APPRECIABLE AMOUNT TO BE DETERMINED BY JUDGE'S DISCRETION DURING BLINDFOLD MEMORIZATION?

in my opinion, we should either universally allow stickerless, or universally ban them. any wishy-washy compromise between 3x3, OH, feet, and BLD is entirely halfwitted.

 

[Bob]

this is exactly my point. which is an easier regulation to enforce during blindsolving: NO STICKERLESS CUBES ...or... NO TURNING ANY SIDE OF THE CUBE ANY APPRECIABLE AMOUNT TO BE DETERMINED BY JUDGE'S DISCRETION DURING BLINDFOLD MEMORIZATION?

in my opinion, we should either universally allow stickerless, or universally ban them. any wishy-washy compromise between 3x3, OH, feet, and BLD is entirely halfwitted.

They were never supposed to be allowed. When they were made legal for BLD, it was an oversight.

 

[Tim Reynolds]

I don't care that it's hard to utilize the advantage that stickerless cubes provide. It's an advantage, you can see extra information from certain angles. Just because people haven't been taking advantage of that information doesn't mean it's not there.

The WCA regulations have, for years, set a very clear and sensible rule that extra information can't be provided. If we allow stickerless cubes, that rule is gone, and we have to come up with a new definition of "some extra information but not too much". What's more information than regular cubes but less information that stickerless cubes? Those should be legal, right?

 

[qqwref]

I dunno, it's hard to say. Maybe there is extra information, but I've used 4x4s and megaminxes (both Mefferts) in competition that had thick enough tiles to give you extra info, and nobody complained. I guess I just don't see being able to see extra stickers as a problem.