Should stickerless cubes be allowed in WCA competition?

[Renslay]

WCA Regulations:
3d) Puzzles must either have coloured stickers, coloured tiles, textures or painted colours.

Textures would allow you to feel the "color" of non visual pieces.
If this is allowed then surely stickerless cubes could be allowed

No. If a cube has textures, then all the textures have to be the same; therefore you can only distinguish the elements by its colors.

 

[drogg]

I have the cube. I love it. It clearly shouldn't be legal as you can see the colour of cubies you shouldn't be able to when turning faces due to the way they are made up. Very little room to argue as much as I'd like to back it. Wonder how many people have voted yes because they want it to be legal as they like the cube (as I do) rather than no due to a balanced decision (the reason I voted no begrudgingly)?

 

[Godmil]

WCA Regulations:
3d) Puzzles must either have coloured stickers, coloured tiles, textures or painted colours.

Textures would allow you to feel the "color" of non visual pieces.
If this is allowed then surely stickerless cubes could be allowed

WCA Regulations:
3j) Puzzles must be clean and must not have any markings, elevated pieces, damages, or other differences that distinguish one piece from a similar piece.

The textures would have to be consistent across all the different colours.

EDIT: Ninja'd

 

[Cubenovice]

WCA Regulations:
3j) Puzzles must be clean and must not have any markings, elevated pieces, damages, or other differences that distinguish one piece from a similar piece.

The textures would have to be consistent across all the different colours.

EDIT: Ninja'd

Time to adjust 3d then
WCA Regulations:
3d) Puzzles must either have coloured stickers, coloured tiles, textures or painted colours.

No mention of colour on the textures -> I can only conclude that we're talking differetn textures here.
Perhaps once added to cater for blind people but it was forgotten to put it in the right context?

 

[Godmil]

Actually yes, I thought it was just referring to textured tiles, but now I think about it it does seem odd.

 

[bobthegiraffemonkey]

I would like to point out something that a lot of people seem to not realise: that being able to see more stickers than usual is not an argument to ban these cubes. Nor is it an argument for anything, since it isn't even an argument. It's just a statement about the puzzle, which if desired may be used as part of an argument.

 

[Hunter]

Yeah the cube is illegal, but as the second post said...

That is the fault of the regulations.

We need the rules changed!

 

[jason60069]

I would like to see the regulations changed to make stickerless cubes legal, since I don't see much of an advantage, other than that there are no stickers that have to be replaced every once in a while.

 

[Hyprul 9-ty2]

Just because you cannot see an advantage does not mean other people cannot.

 

[PeelingStickers]

apologies if this has already been considered or said, but what would be wrong about having a thin black or white border around each individual cubie face, like how it looks on a normal stickered cube, but just stickerless instead? you get the same great turn and feel, and you don't have to replace any stickers because they aren't any. Plus you cannot see a clip of the opposite colour because all you would get would be a slither of black or white plastic from the border

 

[Kattenvriendin]

If you want the same great turn and feel, why not buy 6 stickerless and make six one-color out of it and sticker them?

Basically you get the force cube, but that way you DO have the same material cubies, just not stickerless.

 

[Penguinstorm300]

apologies if this has already been considered or said, but what would be wrong about having a thin black or white border around each individual cubie face, like how it looks on a normal stickered cube, but just stickerless instead? you get the same great turn and feel, and you don't have to replace any stickers because they aren't any. Plus you cannot see a clip of the opposite colour because all you would get would be a slither of black or white plastic from the border

The cube you are describing would be fine in a competition (the normal stickered cubes minus the stickers). However, the main type of stickerless cube isn't allowed because when you turn a layer 45 degrees, it is identify a cubie without looking at it's sides. Here's an image I took from Google Images here -

In the turned M slice, you can see that the back edge is yellow and orange without seeing the orange side.

 

[Godmil]

If you want the same great turn and feel, why not buy 6 stickerless and make six one-color out of it and sticker them?

Basically you get the force cube, but that way you DO have the same material cubies, just not stickerless.

Or buy a single coloured cube. (no need to make things difficult)

 

[ThomasJE]

apologies if this has already been considered or said, but what would be wrong about having a thin black or white border around each individual cubie face, like how it looks on a normal stickered cube, but just stickerless instead? you get the same great turn and feel, and you don't have to replace any stickers because they aren't any. Plus you cannot see a clip of the opposite colour because all you would get would be a slither of black or white plastic from the border

I designed this idea on Google Sketchup. I've tried to get pictures up, but the attachments aren't working.

 

[cubernya]

The cube you are describing would be fine in a competition (the normal stickered cubes minus the stickers). However, the main type of stickerless cube isn't allowed because when you turn a layer 45 degrees, it is identify a cubie without looking at it's sides. Here's an image I took from Google Images here -

In the turned M slice, you can see that the back edge is yellow and orange without seeing the orange side.

Actually it wouldn't. You have to have stickers, paint, tiles, something on there It can't be stickerless even with a border and nothing visible during a turn (not sure why though)

 

[Godmil]

apologies if this has already been considered or said, but what would be wrong about having a thin black or white border around each individual cubie face, like how it looks on a normal stickered cube, but just stickerless instead? you get the same great turn and feel, and you don't have to replace any stickers because they aren't any. Plus you cannot see a clip of the opposite colour because all you would get would be a slither of black or white plastic from the border

It's not a border around the face of each cubie that's needed, it's a different colour on the inside of the pieces, but that's not possible with the current design of the Dayan cubes.

 

[PeelingStickers]

true, but if it's possible to design a border around the cubie on the outside, (I'm not saying it is) then surely simply creating regular black internal colours is possible too or am I completely lost here? (I have little knowledge to how cubes are made or put together :/)

 

[cubernya]

true, but if it's possible to design a border around the cubie on the outside, (I'm not saying it is) then surely simply creating regular black internal colours is possible too or am I completely lost here? (I have little knowledge to how cubes are made or put together :/)

That's not how DaYan cubes work

 

[Penguinstorm300]

Actually it wouldn't. You have to have stickers, paint, tiles, something on there It can't be stickerless even with a border and nothing visible during a turn (not sure why though)

Forgot about that regulation while I was answering the question .

 

[Shamankian]

The Gans II cube got a design where it is stickerless however you are unable to get the advantage as with the DaYan cubes. It got a kind of shell around it. Too bad it isn't such a good cube.