Robert-Y
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People have managed sub 20 averages, but I'm not sure about official times.
Random proposal: how about using / to indicate clockwise slice turns and \ for counterclockwise slice turns? For example, (1,0) \ (3,0) / (-1,-1) \ (-2,1) / (-1,0) (for what it's worth, in my shorthand this could be written as 1 \ 3 / -1,-1 \ -2,1 / -1 )
Hey! i'm new to square-1.
I'm still learning to solve it fluently. I use Andrew Knelson's website (Stage 1 for now) to guide me. After a week, my times are just under 3 minutes I don't know what takes so long. Guess I just have to practice.
I have a few questions though:
- I cannot fully understand parity recognition [ http://andrewknelson.com/square-1-tutorial/basic-parity/ ]. I seem to get it sometimes but the other times, I just end up with one edge swap in one layer at the end of my solve. Is there an efficient way for recognition of parity before CP?
-I have an MF8 sq-1 v2. The slice moves are really nice. But the U and D layers are really tight. I can't use my index finger to flick through these layers. I have to grip the layer with about 3-5 fingers and twist it around. Lube doesn't work too good either. Any suggestions?
- Also, is the Andrew Knelson page a good guide to one of the speedsolving methods? Or should I follow some other method?
Thank you =]
like what andrew said cubeshape is probably the hardest part about being fast and consistent at sq1Hey! i'm new to square-1.
I'm still learning to solve it fluently. I use Andrew Knelson's website (Stage 1 for now) to guide me. After a week, my times are just under 3 minutes I don't know what takes so long. Guess I just have to practice.
you can recognise plls if you know them. its not something for you to learn now but keep it in mind when you get to maybe the 30 second range, you can learn parityCP which solves parity and cp at the same time, i posted a link earlier in this threadI have a few questions though:
- I cannot fully understand parity recognition [ http://andrewknelson.com/square-1-tutorial/basic-parity/ ]. I seem to get it sometimes but the other times, I just end up with one edge swap in one layer at the end of my solve. Is there an efficient way for recognition of parity before CP?
from what ive seen its good, there arnt many text based beginner methods to my knowledge- Also, is the Andrew Knelson page a good guide to one of the speedsolving methods? Or should I follow some other method?
Thank you =]
How much of those 3 minutes is cubeshape? That is usually the slowest part for new solvers.
Do you know PLL for 3x3?
Pull off the top cap from one of the corner pieces. Inside, you'll see the circular track that runs through the pieces. Apply a bit of the lube of your choice to these tracks, and try to get a bit to drip down underneath. I prefer Maru Lube, but I used to use CRC silicone spray as well. You'll probably want to avoid thicker, gummier lubes like Lubix, as I find that these tend to slow down the puzzle a bit.
This method is essentially a beginner version of Lars Vandenbergh's method. This is the method in use by the vast majority of fast solvers.
you can recognise plls if you know them. its not something for you to learn now but keep it in mind when you get to maybe the 30 second range, you can learn parityCP which solves parity and cp at the same time, i posted a link earlier in this thread
I did this and it made it smoother. But not that much. Enough to feel a little comfortable but not even close to be able to speedsolve. I'm guessing the v2 sucks? :
You could, but only 20 or so EPs are necessary to get fast. Really just know Adjacent-Adjacent, Opposite-opposite and some parity cases (like adjacent).That EP algs page Do you need to learn all of them eventually?
Yes, it sucks terribly.
i wasnt clear, i meant if you use a 3x3 method with plls and you can recognize all of the plls, you can see if there is parity based on that. for example if there is an f perm on top and a i perm on bottom you have parity.Thank you and I can recognise PLLs if I know them? You mean the opposite or am I just confused? :|
Still unsure whether to learn full EP or CP parity. Tell me what to do, people!
Still unsure whether to learn full EP or CP parity. Tell me what to do, people!
Still unsure whether to learn full EP or CP parity. Tell me what to do, people!
Czery said:I know people use alternative adj-adj algorithms to reduce AUDF - ing. My question is do you think it's learning alternative algorithms for say edge orientation, corner permutation, etc is worth the time it saves.
I'm currently thinking about learning 1 or 2 alternative algs for each of the edge orientation case, particularly the ones that don't disturb corners. As of now most of my EO algs disturb corners which interferes with my EO to CP transition.
I'm also looking into forcing good EP's but when using parity CP this can be annoying.
I. Are the corners permuted?
A. Yes: How many edges are solved?
1. One: [b]U[/b] ([color=green]No parity[/color])
2. Two: Opposite or adjacent?
a. Opposite: [b]Opp Edges[/b] ([color=red]Parity[/color])
b. Adjacent: [b]Adj Edges[/b] ([color=red]Parity[/color])
3. Four: [b]Solved[/b] ([color=green]No parity[/color])
4. None: How many edges are the opposite color?
a. None: is there a pair of edges swapped?
1. Yes: [b]Z[/b] ([color=green]No parity[/color])
2. No: [b]O[/b] ([color=red]Parity[/color])
b. Two: [b]W[/b] ([color=red]Parity[/color])
c. Four: [b]H[/b] ([color=green]No parity[/color])
II. Any blocks?
A. It's all blocks: Any headlights?
1. Yes: [b]J[/b] ([color=green]No parity[/color])
2. No: [b]N[/b] ([color=green]No parity[/color])
B. 1x3: Any other blocks?
1. Yes, 2x2: [b]P[/b] ([color=red]Parity[/color])
2. No: [b]F[/b] ([color=green]No parity[/color])
C. 2x2: How many?
1. One: Any headlights?
a. Yes: [b]A[/b] ([color=green]No parity[/color])
b. No: [b]V[/b] ([color=green]No parity[/color])
2. Two: Opp Corners ([color=red]Parity[/color])
D. 1x2: How many?
1. One: Is it connected to the headlights?
a. Yes: [b]R[/b] ([color=green]No parity[/color])
b. No: [b]G[/b] ([color=green]No parity[/color])
2. Two: Is there a headlights?
a. Yes: How many of the blocks are connected to the headlights?
1. Both: [b]T[/b] ([color=green]No parity[/color])
2. One: Are the blocks touching?
A. Yes: [b]D[/b] ([color=red]Parity[/color])
B. No: [b]B[/b] ([color=red]Parity[/color])
3. None: [b]K[/b] ([color=red]Parity[/color])
b. No: Are the blocks touching?
1. Yes: [b]S[/b] ([color=red]Parity[/color])
2. No: [b]Y[/b] ([color=green]No parity[/color])
E. 2x3: [b]Adj Corners[/b] ([color=red]Parity[/color])
F. No blocks: Any headlights?
1. Yes: Is the edge between the headlights the opposite color?
a. Yes: [b]M[/b] ([color=red]Parity[/color])
b. No: [b]C[/b] ([color=red]Parity[/color])
2. No: Look at one corner and the two adjacent edges. IgNoring the U/D color, how many sticker colors are there?
a. Two: [b]X[/b] ([color=red]Parity[/color])
b. Three: [b]E[/b] ([color=green]No parity[/color])
c. Four: [b]Q[/b] ([color=red]Parity[/color])
I. Are the corners permuted?
A. Yes: How many edges are solved?
1. One or Four: [color=green]No parity[/color]
2. Two: [color=red]Parity[/color]
3. None: How many edges are the opposite color?
a. None: is there a pair of edges swapped?
1. Yes: [color=green]No parity[/color]
2. No: [color=red]Parity[/color]
b. Two: [color=red]Parity[/color]
c. Four: [color=green]No parity[/color]
II. Any blocks?
A. It's all blocks: [color=green]No parity[/color]
B. 1x3: Any other blocks?
1. Yes, 2x2: [color=red]Parity[/color]
2. No: [color=green]No parity[/color]
C. 2x2: How many?
1. One: [color=green]No parity[/color]
2. Two: [color=red]Parity[/color]
D. 1x2: How many?
1. One: [color=green]No parity[/color]
2. Two: Is there a headlights?
a. Yes: How many of the blocks are connected to the headlights?
1. Both: [color=green]No parity[/color]
2. One or None: [color=red]Parity[/color]
b. No: Are the blocks touching?
1. Yes: [color=red]Parity[/color]
2. No: [color=green]No parity[/color]
E. 2x3: [color=red]Parity[/color]
F. No blocks: Any headlights?
1. Yes: [color=red]Parity[/color]
2. No: Look at one corner and the two adjacent edges. IgNoring the U/D color, how many sticker colors are there?
a. Two or Four: [color=red]Parity[/color]
b. Three: [color=green]No parity[/color]
Personnally I use CP parity only in the N-solved and solved-N CP cses, in which the parity CP alg is almost as fast as the non-parity one. To recognize whether the layer with the N CP is in a parity state or not, just count the number of bars and apply the following rules:depends on how familiar you are with paritycp already and how much parity ep affects your solves. for me i only used opp-h which seemed to lead to a lot of bad cases, and i started learning and using it around 25.
in my opinion recognition can be just as fast, and it is very useful.
I use this as well when there is double parity, but because i only know the 2-2 swaps for ep and this eliminates things like o-w. the mirror is faster for my style though, 1,0/-1,2/-2,-2/3,0/As for alternative CP algs, I only know two: the pure opposite/opposite (1,0/2,-4/-2,4/) and adjacent/adjacent (0,-1/-2,1/2,2/0,-3/) corner swaps. Each one has come in handy about 5 times, and since the alternative would leave you with opp/opp or adj/adj EP respectively, it's not that big of a deal. Besides, the regular CP algs are amazing for lookahead, so I can't imagine doing anything else unless it's a 1-look case or something.
My reason for not learning parity CP essentially boils down to: I love O perm. Also, parity CP occasionally makes cases that would yield decent parity EPs into horrible non-parity EPs.
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