Dene
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Fun for who? And that much more fun than one-at-a-time that it is worth the additional effort?
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Everyone except you, apparently.
Florian
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Fun for the competitors in the final and for the audience.
There isn't much more effort. You have a break before the final in that you start cleaning up and you leave just two tables. Cleaning up before the Final or after is the same effort. And it's not really time consuming it cost maybe 5 minutes more.
Dene
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I won't point out the fact that at MCD I did about half of the tidying up by myself before anyone bothered to help...
I mean it's all nice and easy for someone that just does what their told, but for the person that is organising it they need to stay on top of it and make sure things are flowing etc. etc., and that really does create a lot more hassle. Trust me as someone that has to organise crap every single competition. Deviating from the status quo is never going to be a straight forward process.
Fun as compared to more simple alternatives. Please keep to the context and don't spam this thread with irrelevant posts.
It wasn't irrelevant, I was answering your question.
Florian
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look even a bigger benefit for you. Everybody would still be there and would be able to help tidying up
Dene
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Everyone was still there, waiting for awards.
You "answered" one of my questions, but it was out of context.
Florian
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Did you asked people to help you?
Still the difference is only 5 minutes and more fun for everybody
Still the difference is only 5 minutes and more fun for everybody
How was it out of context? You're the only one saying that we shouldn't do anything [1]. Everyone else enjoys having a finals format.
Just because you're an extremely boring person doesn't mean other people shouldn't be able to enjoy things.
Dene
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And yet you still haven't given me any reason to believe that people will have any more fun with a finals format than none at all to justify myself putting in the extra effort to make it happen (and yes it will be me doing everything to make it happen because no one else will, and it will be quite an extra effort on top of everything else I have to do).
@Florian: Why more fun? You keep saying that but don't provide any reason. Time isn't what I am concerned about, we can take as much time as we like. And I shouldn't have to ask people to help. Everyone (by this I mainly mean those that help out throughout the day, which is mainly those at meet ups) knows that things don't just happen, and we need the help of everyone to make a competition work. People usually help out, but in recent competitions that help has dwindled considerably, and as such I'm not motivated to do anything either (and neither is Tim). Of course the difference between us [me and Tim] and everyone else is, if we decide to do nothing, competitions don't happen at all. For MCD I was against hosting FMC, but it was allowed in the end under the condition that someone else took control of it and made everything happen. On the day only 3 people did it and no one took control of the event. As such I don't see much chance for FMC being hosted more than once a year from now on.
Point of all this being, at the end of the day I'm going to have to do everything on the day of the competition, therefore I have final say in what happens (with Tim's general approval) and I am not motivated to do things that I see no reason to do. Give me a good reason and some motivation to have a different finals format and I'll think about it.
Tim Major
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I thought you weren't going to point it out.
And I was judging all day, scrambling SO much especially 5x5 6x6 7x7, and then you say bull**** like we're all terrible and don't try, do you expect people like me to help every competition when you're going to insult us like that?
In case you don't remember, I arrived long before you and Tim, I helped set up and pack up.
I specifically remember you sitting in the competitors' area when you weren't competing, "delegating" your duties on to other people. Stop being an ass.
Dene
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I said there were a few people that were very helpful throughout the day, but I never gave names. If you wish to believe you were one of those people then do so, but at the end of the day there were only a few people that did help, and when people don't help competitions don't work. Also, we didn't do 6x6 and 7x7 if you recall, so I don't know what you're on about. Yes we were late, blame Tim for that, I still do. As for your last comment, about me sitting in the competitors area when I wasn't competing, I would love to see you provide evidence or a specific case for that, because I am 99% certain you are making that up. When I'm at competitions I do stuff at all times unless there is literally nothing I can do, for example, while waiting for people to finish multi attempts or whatever. Call me an ass if you like, but your attempts at providing facts are falling well short of convincing.
David Zemdegs
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Cease and desist please. Stop making mountains out of mole hills. We are too small a community to become fractured.
Ltsurge
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Would this be the wrong time to suggest Australian nationals should be shifted from city to city perhaps in a few years time? I.e. BRISBANE 
Dene
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Find a venue and guarantee lots of helpers and I would love to come to Brisbane! Do it this year!
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no dene have it in melbourne. i dont think many (melbounre and sydney) cubers would come
Tim Major
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Obviously it'll be Melbourne this year.
But "Australian Nationals" shouldn't just be in Melbourne. At the moment, all delegates live in Melbourne, and most people who can run and compete in a competition, also live in Melbourne.
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i know it would be but i think im only coming to nats if summer open isnt on
Dene
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Sure a lot of people wouldn't come, but there will be plenty of other competitions available for them to attend.
Because Australian Nationals is a competition where there shouldn't be many people going.
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