Is cubing mathmatical?

[Mudkip]

Many cubers say cubing is non mathmatical. Most non-cubers say it is.
Form both perspectives:

Cubers: We're not actually doing math in the solve.
Non- Cubers: They use patterns, based on math.

So who's right?

 

[Kirjava]

It is, but you aren't exactly doing calculations when solving.

 

[5BLD]

It depends on how you look at it.

 

[Cubenovice]

Cubes are sometimes used in math lessons, therefore cubing = mathematical

 

[Stefan]

cubing = mathematical

Since when is let's say calculus cubing?
And how mathematical is let's say Lubix?

 

[bwronski]

Cubes are sometimes used in math lessons, therefore cubing = mathematical

i dont know it that logic transfers over. i have used chocolate bars in math lessons before that doesn't make chocolate = mathematical

i think that math can be applied to solve it in very loose terms, but overall i think it is more logic and spacial thinking than math

 

[Ickenicke]

Many cubers say cubing is non mathmatical. Most non-cubers say it is.
Form both perspectives:

Cubers: We're not actually doing math in the solve.
Non- Cubers: They use patterns, based on math.

So who's right?

The right answer

 

[Kirjava]

i think that math can be applied to solve it in very loose terms

Aren't commutators a strictly mathematical approach to solving the cube?

 

[Stefan]

more logic [...] than math

Now I'm curious: What do you think is math?

 

[Godmil]

Are commutators mathematical, or can they just be expressed mathematically?

The cube is no more mathematical than a ball is. It's fantastic for demonstrating many mathematical concepts, but it was created as it was, the mathematics were studied afterwards.

 

[aronpm]

Are commutators mathematical, or can they just be expressed mathematically?

Math? In my commutators? I think not!

(They have a mathematical basis but it's not necessary to understand it to make commutators)

 

[Kirjava]

afaik they're a mathematical concept.

 

[Cubenovice]

LOL at Stefan and bwronski

Hint: It's like goldy and bronzy, only it's made of iron.

 

[bwronski]

uh oh, i will try an explain my self.

yes commutators are a strictly mathematical approach to solving the cube, from the mathematical stand point, but while actually solving i get a different idea, how I think when I do comms is basically this "A gets to B with proper orientation and C goes to A with proper orientation", that is more logic to me than math, the idea and system is mathematical but not math when doing moves on the cube.

Im not a math guy so I don't know how commutator are really used in mathematics, but form what I know that is how I look at it.

And I think math is a way for us to quantify our surroundings based on measurements, observations and patterns we find in numbers.

 

[Kirjava]

how I think when I do comms

You can think of it in a more mathematical sense if you want it to fulfill that requirement.

 

[bwronski]

so to some people cubing is mathematical and others its not?

 

[Kirjava]

No.

Maths can be an aspect of different parts of cubing. It usually isn't.

 

[bwronski]

different parts meaning what? because i can see how we get the ideas from math or use mathematical ideas so describe what we do in a solve, but is solving mathematical?

 

[Kirjava]

Maths is often used to discover the number of different permutations for a step. While not using during a solve, it's an aid in developing a solving method.

BLD solvers may do x + 1 mod 2 after solving each edge or corner during M2/Pochmann to store a boolean value for parity.

Of course there will be better examples, but I'm not majorly into cube theory.

 

[Stefan]

And I think math is a way for us to quantify our surroundings based on measurements, observations and patterns we find in numbers.

Sounds like a very very narrow definition. How do let's say set theory, game theory or predicate logic fit in this?