help me choose speedcubing Method!

[20four7n]

@skaterfly checking links now.. thanks

 

[5BLD]

Well I was going to teach you Roux over skype today... Hopefully... If I'm not out.

@waffo
Yeah, that's true.
Didn't mean to offend you or anything.
Just saying... I prefer Roux's rouxtorial simply because it's more concise and 'straight-to-the-point'
Whilst yours makes it easier for beginners to understand, yes.

 

[RNewms27]

what do you mean by preserve?? (im noob)

Meaning keep the cross as a cross while solving the surrounding pieces and for OLL you preserve the first two layers you have solved by taking it apart and putting it back together in order to alter the last layer orientation.

 

[5BLD]

Yeah. I think what Jorghi is trying to say is that you can't do CFOP entirely intuitively.

For Roux... It's... First block you have complete freedom; second you are restricted to RrMU; corners you break and restore; LSE you do only M and U, with a few exceptions.
Basically the corners are the only algs required...

However both methods can be fast.

 

[Ltsurge]

Yeah. I think what Jorghi is trying to say is that you can't do CFOP entirely intuitively.

fix'd

 

[5BLD]

Got me there. Fixed.

 

[Cubenovice]

Ok, I have tried the roux method, and i just dont get it...

And you spent a whopping 2 hours trying?
Good luck with the rest of your cubing career...

You want to memo algs? Then CFOP is for you.

 

[uberCuber]

Yeah. I think what Jorghi is trying to say is that you can't do CFOP entirely intuitively.

That's what he's trying to say. He's pretty much right except for the fact that you can.

 

[5BLD]

You can; yes. It's possible. With commutators and such, and even fully intuitively.
In fact, I do intuitive ELL, and it's very much possible for corners to be done intuitively.
However, for me, since I know CLL I may as well use it.

 

[Jungleterrain]

when i use intuitive blockbuilding i always mess things up, and learning algorithms is frustratingly hard... what would you recommend based on my answers??

Honestly I don't think you've really tried to learn a lot of algorithms. LBL is like MAX 8 algorithms you need. And blockbuilding takes a good amount of practice since it's all intuitive and there are many different ways to be more efficient. Of course you are going to suck at memorizing algorithms and blockbuilding if you've only done it for like a few weeks or only learned like 10 algs.

 

[zerra]

I just wrote a big reply and accidentally erased it :'(, so ima keep this short and i wont use good english since i'm not a grammar nazi and i dont want to spend lots of time writing it all over again.

I use CFOP, I've been cubing for 2.5 months, I got an average around 40-45 seconds and my singe record is 31.13.
CFOP is a great method because you can decide what you want to practice, and practice it well.
You should learn badmephisto's beginners method, if you do not already know it, and base your CFOP on that.
Badmephisto's beginners method is
-Cross
-F2L/2 look F2L
-2 look OLL
-2 look PLL
This is easy to obtain from other guides or snatch "methods" from different guides, but mephisto is good at teaching according to me.
When you've learnt this, you can then procceed to practice what you want, wether its the intuitive part or the alghoritm part.
-Cross and f2l is the intuitive part, you can also use alghoritms for it but thats for more advanced.
-OLL and PLL is the alghoritm part, you can do both of these in 2 looks or just use 1 alghoritm for each step, if you want to do OLL and PLL in 1 alghoritm each, you will need to learn 78 alghoritms, but with 2 looks you will only need about 15.
After you've learnt 2 look, you can learn more alghoritms, making some of the cases able to be solved in 1 alghoritm, and the good thing is, you don't even need to know more than 2 look oll and pll to get under 50 avg.
If you have any questions, just reply and i'll be happy to answer.

Sorry for the bad english, i'm tired and i just do not want to spend time correcting myself, and i'm not native english speaker.

 

[uberCuber]

CFOP is a great method because you can decide what you want to practice, and practice it well.

What is special about this? You can do this with any other method.

the good thing is, you don't even need to know more than 2 look oll and pll to get under 50 avg.

In fact, you can get under 15 average with that.

 

[Phlippieskezer]

What is special about this? You can do this with any other method.

Indeed, any method can do that.
Why I personally feel CFOP is a good method (you don't have to agree):
Very easy to learn after LBL
You don't have to think, there's a lot of algorithms (relatively speaking), and the whole solve is extremely systematic. Granted, some people work better with intuition, but shooting out algorithms can be a strength. Personally, I don't like it.
Its strengths have been exploited far more than any other method and there are tons of resources to learn new tricks. (That's a big one, IMO)

In fact, you can get under 15 average with that.

You can get sub-12 with LBL, in theory.

Feliks' WR TPS was just under 10; the average move count for LBL is just around 100.
(P.S. You have no idea how much of a nouxb the above statement makes me feel like)

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To the OP:
But, really, I'm a huge Roux fan, but I'd definitely suggest CFOP (or maybe Petrus) for your current skill level. If you still feel the Roux-sirens are calling your name, you can always switch. First get a better feel for how the cube works, though.

 

[uberCuber]

You can get sub-12 with LBL, in theory.

Feliks' WR TPS was just under 10; the average move count for LBL is just around 100.
(P.S. You have no idea how much of a nouxb the above statement makes me feel like)

After reading this, I felt like trying some LBL (with 2-look OLL and 2-look PLL). 19.72 avg5, 20.65 avg12. Lol.

 

[5BLD]

To the OP:
But, really, I'm a huge Roux fan, but I'd definitely suggest CFOP (or maybe Petrus) for your current skill level. If you still feel the Roux-sirens are calling your name, you can always switch. First get a better feel for how the cube works, though.

I agree, after attempting to teach him over skype.
@OP
Have a go at Petrus though. It will give you a nice foundation, and you may even carry on with it as it is a good method.

Roux, is indeed, a rather tough method to learn...

 

[yockee]

when i use intuitive blockbuilding i always mess things up, and learning algorithms is frustratingly hard... what would you recommend based on my answers??

Edit Note: This is NOT meant to sound mean.....

Seriously dude, your answers are kind of whinny for someone who wants to speedsolve. I'm not trying to sound mean, but it's annoying when EVERYONE had to struggle at one time or another to get where they are, and you want some magic, easy way out. You're going to have to just suck it up and roll with the punches, dude. It may take some time, but you'll get used to it in time. I am personally only good at Fridrich. It took a year to learn and master, but it was well worth it.

yeah i looked at fridrich, but all i found was intuitive videos, and they didnt show any algorithms

Just DO THIS. RIGHT NOW, go to www.cubestation.co.uk and click on 3x3, then click CFOP. THat's the Fridrich method, and on this site there is no intuition other than for building the cross. There is an alg for EVERY SINGLE F2L case, as well as allll the OLLs and PLLs. Just go start learning! That's how I learned Fridrich. Once you learn this, in time, you'll be able to start changing things around to better suit you, such as the F2L algs. Fridrich sounds like it would be easiest for you.

 

[20four7n]

So wait, you can get less than 30 seconds with lbl?? Ill be pretty happy with a 30 secOnd solve, I might just use diff layer by layer method?

 

[5BLD]

Yes, Erik did a sub-20 average and I can sub-25 with LBL.

 

[Winston Yang]

First what is your average?

 

[Hershey]

One of the 7s I had was under 4 TPS. Fullstep.

Wouldn't this be a 28 move solution? How could someone get such low movecount in a speedsolve?