Time Limit For Multi!!!

[Faz]

Maybe you could say, if you compete in multibld, you can take all day but you're not allowed to compete in other events.

OR

I like this suggestion:

Get a WCA delegate and hold an event devoted entirely to multibld.

Let the cubers who want to get a WR be allowed to take as long as they like.

 

[Derrick Eide17]

Screw it.. lets just all make up and kiss. lol


Edit: people reading this are probably gonna think im gay or something now..... DAMNIT lol.

Is that offer still up derrick =]


"make up and kiss"

i mean if it is.....pm me.

umm... umm..... ummmm no comment

 

[DennisStrehlau]

so there is still something i dont understand.
IF SOMEONE WANTS TO ORGANIZE MULTI-BLD IN COMPETITION HE CAN CHOOSE ANY TIME LIMIT (AS LONG AS YOU ONLY HAVE 10 MIN PER CUBE OF COURSE)?????
Then it wouldnt be a problem at all cause i am pretty sure, that you will find some competitions from time to time, where a time limit is, that is more than 2:30 h.
So is that true, that its up to the organizer of the competition?!

Greetings...Dennis

 

[Mike Hughey]

Come on now, guys. It's obvious that there are fairness issues if there are irregular time limits at competitions for events where the maximum time limit obviously and immediately affects your ability to do well in the competition.

What if there was a multi blind limit of 30 seconds? No one would be able to solve any. What if there was a limit of a week? There would be a guaranteed world record.

According to something Lucas Garron indicated, it appears that at EPGY California Open 2008, they had a time limit of 10 minutes for multiBLD. Which is maybe not quite as bad as 30 seconds, but pretty limiting. (Lucas went for 3 and took 12 minutes, I think.)

I don't have a problem with it; those who want to set world records can either organize their own competitions with long time limits, or have friends who do, or they can travel however far they need to in order to get their records. Derrick says it's important that if someone is willing to work hard at it, they can get it. Well, one way you can work hard for it is organize a competition. And Derrick, even you could do it. Just teach 12 people nearby to solve a 3x3x3, and get at least one other person who can try multiBLD, and you're set. I've taught my 7-year-old daughter, and now she's solved a 4x4x4 in competition, so I think you can teach just about anyone to do 3x3x3.

In the meantime, competitions like EPGY are cool anyway, since it's a whole different event, but fits in the same category. I think it's almost as fun to try to solve 2 as fast as possible as it is to solve 10. I'm not as good at it, but it's still fun.

Oh, and a time limit of a week would NOT guarantee a world record at all. Practically, it probably would be no different from a 10 hour limit. Don't forget we still have the 10 minute per cube rule. A week currently wouldn't help anyone.

Dennis, according to the published rules right now, yes you are absolutely right. It's up to the organizer of the competition.

 

[joey]

Oh, and a time limit of a week would NOT guarantee a world record at all. Practically, it probably would be no different from a 10 hour limit. Don't forget we still have the 10 minute per cube rule. A week currently wouldn't help anyone.

Actually, you're wrong there. I just put in a cube4you order of 1008 type D DIYs.

 

[DennisStrehlau]

Dennis, according to the published rules right now, yes you are absolutely right. It's up to the organizer of the competition.

WOW!
Okay Mike, thanks a lot for this answer man!
Nice to know...so i can organize comp. with a higher time limit of course I wont do this in the next weeks or so, but its interesting to think about it, maybe i will organize a comp. soon! And its nice to KNOW, that its up to the organizer...i am HAPPY now!...

Greetings...Dennis

 

[shelley]

Umm official means at a sanctioned competition if im not correct? and seeing as how this LIMIT will apply at numerous (maybe not all) competitions now, well sorry but thats my view of OFFICIAL if u ask me. is it not?

At a lot of competitions in California we don't let people complete their 4x4 averages if they go over 2 minutes in their first one or two solves. This is done for time reasons. Does that mean there is an OFFICIAL time limit of 2 minutes on the 4x4?

At the most recent San Diego tournament, only Michael Gottlieb was allowed to do an average for the 5x5, because he was the only competitor who could solve a 5x5 in the 3 minute time limit. Does that mean Michael Gottlieb is OFFICIALLY the only person who can compete in 5x5?

 

[mrbiggs]

I don't have a problem with it; those who want to set world records can either organize their own competitions with long time limits, or have friends who do, or they can travel however far they need to in order to get their records.

I think that gives a huge advantage to cubers who happen to live near other people who care about multibld. I think it would be silly if every single WR came from a very small number of competitions each year which cared about the event.



I think the analogy to limiting big cube times is innacurate. A limiting big cube time simply means that you require a certain amount of skill to complete the event. A more apt analogy would be requiring a certain minimum number of cubes to complete, such as "if you can't do five cubes you can't do multibld".

 

[shelley]

It's done for the same reasons: time constraints. And just because a time limit is imposed at an official WCA competition doesn't mean the time limit is now an official regulation and will be imposed at every competition, as Derrick seems to believe.

And to a certain extent, time limits on multi-BLD also requires a certain level of skill. Who knows? Maybe someone is good enough to do 40 cubes in 2:30.

 

[tim]

Maybe someone is good enough to do 40 cubes in 2:30.

I work on it . Seriously: It's not as hard as it might sound.

 

[Derrick Eide17]

Umm official means at a sanctioned competition if im not correct? and seeing as how this LIMIT will apply at numerous (maybe not all) competitions now, well sorry but thats my view of OFFICIAL if u ask me. is it not?

At a lot of competitions in California we don't let people complete their 4x4 averages if they go over 2 minutes in their first one or two solves. This is done for time reasons. Does that mean there is an OFFICIAL time limit of 2 minutes on the 4x4?

At the most recent San Diego tournament, only Michael Gottlieb was allowed to do an average for the 5x5, because he was the only competitor who could solve a 5x5 in the 3 minute time limit. Does that mean Michael Gottlieb is OFFICIALLY the only person who can compete in 5x5?

It's done for the same reasons: time constraints. And just because a time limit is imposed at an official WCA competition doesn't mean the time limit is now an official regulation and will be imposed at every competition, as Derrick seems to believe.

And to a certain extent, time limits on multi-BLD also requires a certain level of skill. Who knows? Maybe someone is good enough to do 40 cubes in 2:30.

Maybe someone is good enough to do 40 cubes in 2:30.

@shelley: NO thats not what i think at ALL. just when i hear the words ITS OFFICIAL from people like Dennis and rowe that heard from TYSON and RON themselves that are huge in the WCA i tend to believe that it JUST MIGHT be official ya know?

@Tim: well seeing as how you can do friggin 12 in 36 minutes lol i think its possible

 

[qqwref]

It's an important distinction to make between official and "effectively official", that is, a regulation that you have to follow at any competitions you could go to. If all competitions in North America have a 2:30 multi limit, and Derrick is unable to go to any competitions outside of North America, it's effectively an official time limit for him, even if it might not be in the rules. So maybe there should be some way to take longer, perhaps (as I've said before) outside of competition.

About the goal of multibld - even if we change it in the future, the goal right now is to do as many cubes as possible, regardless of time. This is the only possible interpretation of the scoring system: time doesn't even factor in unless you're comparing equal results. The talk of changing regulations is interesting but as of now if you want a WR in multi you have to do at least 25 cubes, and that is very difficult if there is a hard limit of 2:30. Of course setting a WR ought to be difficult, but having to do more than 24 cubes, faster per cube than the current WR, without messing up, is probably harder than it should be.

 

[Johannes91]

It's an important distinction to make between official and "effectively official", that is, a regulation that you have to follow at any competitions you could go to.

It's also an important distinction to make between official and "effectively unofficial", that is, an official regulation that you don't need to follow at any competitions you could go to.

 

[qqwref]

That's true, even if it might not be entirely relevant. I might be willing to write up an errata for the WCA regulations to describe things like that that aren't really written down explicitly, if other people would support this idea...

 

[DennisStrehlau]

It's an important distinction to make between official and "effectively official", that is, a regulation that you have to follow at any competitions you could go to. If all competitions in North America have a 2:30 multi limit, and Derrick is unable to go to any competitions outside of North America, it's effectively an official time limit for him, even if it might not be in the rules. So maybe there should be some way to take longer, perhaps (as I've said before) outside of competition.

About the goal of multibld - even if we change it in the future, the goal right now is to do as many cubes as possible, regardless of time. This is the only possible interpretation of the scoring system: time doesn't even factor in unless you're comparing equal results. The talk of changing regulations is interesting but as of now if you want a WR in multi you have to do at least 25 cubes, and that is very difficult if there is a hard limit of 2:30. Of course setting a WR ought to be difficult, but having to do more than 24 cubes, faster per cube than the current WR, without messing up, is probably harder than it should be.

Thats also a very good point man. Maybe its really to hard.
But in fact, the time limit is bad BUT i dont care THAT much anymore...because there is STRESSLER...dont ask what it is, but it helps to get the WR easily.

Greetings...Dennis

 

[joey]

because there is STRESSLER...dont ask what it is, but it helps to get the WR easily.

One can guess

 

[Derrick Eide17]

um... A stressed out Toddler?

 

[Stefan]

Almost 100 posts about a rumor? The creator of this thread ought to be banned.

Why banned? What did i do?!

You caused me to waste an hour or so of my life for absolutely no good reason. And probably the same for others. And no, I'm not serious about the ban, although I *am* seriously ****ed.

 

[Derrick Eide17]

Stefans always ****ed

 

[Tyson]

Well, of course he's upset. He's Stefan Pochmann. The hardest working cuber, and... actually... he's gotten exactly what he deserves.