Time Limit For Multi!!!

[shelley]

Hey Shelley I talked to Ron and he said, its official already. But he also told me like: I wont organize competitions with more than 2:30 h time limit........so i guess, if an organizer wants a time limit, that is higher than the 2:30 h, he is still allowed to do that, because then, Ron wouldnt have to say: i wont organize comp. with more than 2:30 h anymore (too much work etc.).

Greetings...Dennis

It's not a rumour.

Selective reading, anyone? Ron didn't say it's official. If it hasn't been discussed as a new ruling and it's not in the regulations, it's not official. Ron isn't the only competition organizer in the WCA. Just because he doesn't want to organize competitions with more than 2:30 time limit doesn't mean nobody else is allowed to.

I do think the multi-BLD event needs some restructuring though. Either a number of cubes solved blindfolded in a time limit format, or there are certain levels which you can attempt (you can choose to do 3, 5, 10, 20 cubes or something) and you're ranked by accuracy and time within each of those categories. Right now there's nothing keeping people from going out of control and attempting 100 cubes multi-BLD and eating up an entire day or more (aside from setting time limits, which will vary depending on different competition organizers, and as we have seen make a few people unhappy).

 

[Derrick Eide17]

Hey Shelley I talked to Ron and he said, its official already. But he also told me like: I wont organize competitions with more than 2:30 h time limit........so i guess, if an organizer wants a time limit, that is higher than the 2:30 h, he is still allowed to do that, because then, Ron wouldnt have to say: i wont organize comp. with more than 2:30 h anymore (too much work etc.).

Greetings...Dennis

It's not a rumour.

Selective reading, anyone? Ron didn't say it's official. If it hasn't been discussed as a new ruling and it's not in the regulations, it's not official. Ron isn't the only competition organizer in the WCA. Just because he doesn't want to organize competitions with more than 2:30 time limit doesn't mean nobody else is allowed to.

Um... yeah its official... Rowe cant do 60 cubes anymore at Nationals cause tysons not letting him, plus ron said 2:30 limit is offical now too.. what else more is there to it to need to be official?

 

[Swordsman Kirby]

Hey Shelley I talked to Ron and he said, its official already. But he also told me like: I wont organize competitions with more than 2:30 h time limit........so i guess, if an organizer wants a time limit, that is higher than the 2:30 h, he is still allowed to do that, because then, Ron wouldnt have to say: i wont organize comp. with more than 2:30 h anymore (too much work etc.).

Greetings...Dennis

It's not a rumour.

Selective reading, anyone? Ron didn't say it's official. If it hasn't been discussed as a new ruling and it's not in the regulations, it's not official. Ron isn't the only competition organizer in the WCA. Just because he doesn't want to organize competitions with more than 2:30 time limit doesn't mean nobody else is allowed to.

Um... yeah its official... Rowe cant do 60 cubes anymore at Nationals cause tysons not letting him, plus ron said 2:30 limit is offical now too.. what else more is there to it to need to be official?

...how is that official? For the prospective Shanghai competition I'm helping organize, I could just say someone can go multi 20 cubes in 3hr20min. Oops! That's more than 2hr30min, the current "official" regulation, but I can do it anyway.

 

[Derrick Eide17]

Hey Shelley I talked to Ron and he said, its official already. But he also told me like: I wont organize competitions with more than 2:30 h time limit........so i guess, if an organizer wants a time limit, that is higher than the 2:30 h, he is still allowed to do that, because then, Ron wouldnt have to say: i wont organize comp. with more than 2:30 h anymore (too much work etc.).

Greetings...Dennis

It's not a rumour.

Selective reading, anyone? Ron didn't say it's official. If it hasn't been discussed as a new ruling and it's not in the regulations, it's not official. Ron isn't the only competition organizer in the WCA. Just because he doesn't want to organize competitions with more than 2:30 time limit doesn't mean nobody else is allowed to.

Um... yeah its official... Rowe cant do 60 cubes anymore at Nationals cause tysons not letting him, plus ron said 2:30 limit is offical now too.. what else more is there to it to need to be official?

...how is that official? For the prospective Shanghai competition I'm helping organize, I could just say someone can go multi 20 cubes in 3hr20min. Oops! That's more than 2hr30min, the current "official" regulation, but I can do it anyway.

Umm official means at a sanctioned competition if im not correct? and seeing as how this LIMIT will apply at numerous (maybe not all) competitions now, well sorry but thats my view of OFFICIAL if u ask me. is it not?

 

[tim]

Hey Shelley I talked to Ron and he said, its official already. But he also told me like: I wont organize competitions with more than 2:30 h time limit........so i guess, if an organizer wants a time limit, that is higher than the 2:30 h, he is still allowed to do that, because then, Ron wouldnt have to say: i wont organize comp. with more than 2:30 h anymore (too much work etc.).

Greetings...Dennis

It's not a rumour.

Selective reading, anyone? Ron didn't say it's official. If it hasn't been discussed as a new ruling and it's not in the regulations, it's not official. Ron isn't the only competition organizer in the WCA. Just because he doesn't want to organize competitions with more than 2:30 time limit doesn't mean nobody else is allowed to.

Um... yeah its official... Rowe cant do 60 cubes anymore at Nationals cause tysons not letting him, plus ron said 2:30 limit is offical now too.. what else more is there to it to need to be official?

...how is that official? For the prospective Shanghai competition I'm helping organize, I could just say someone can go multi 20 cubes in 3hr20min. Oops! That's more than 2hr30min, the current "official" regulation, but I can do it anyway.

Umm official means at a sanctioned competition if im not correct? and seeing as how this LIMIT will apply at numerous (maybe not all) competitions now, well sorry but thats my view of OFFICIAL if u ask me. is it not?

o_O.

To clearify: Official means (in this case) that it's part of the wca rules.

 

[Derrick Eide17]

then how come if we follow exact competition regulations at home its counted as unnoficial? if what u say is true and offical means as part of wca rules. they are besides im not the one who first said it was official anyway, just going by what people said, because Dennis said that Ron said it was official.

 

[Mike Hughey]

Derrick, the solution for this is simple - organize your own competition, focus on multiBLD, and set the time limit to something you're happy with. Until and unless they change the rules, there's nothing stopping you from setting up a 10 hour attempt, if that's what you want to do.

I figure the best format for someone who wants to do this is to set it up something like this, for a one-day event. Tentative schedule:

4:00 AM: Pre-registration, start of multiBLD attempt, best of 1, 10 hour limit
2:00 PM: Official registration begins
3:00 PM: 3x3x3 first round, avg of 5
4:00 PM: 3x3x3 BLD combined final
5:00 PM: Feature event: 4x4x4 BLD and 5x5x5 BLD (best of 2, best of 1)
6:00 PM: 3x3x3 final round
6:30 PM: Awards ceremony
7:00 PM: Afterparty

That gets all the most important events in, and you won't even have to have all your judges around - just your main judge plus maybe one or two others to make sure the stopwatches are manned adequately. And of course you'll need at least 2 competitors for the multiBLD (as well as the very important big cubes BLD, which you'll notice I put as the featured event before the final 3x3x3 ).

Probably the trickiest part of all this is finding a delegate willing to come for this. But surely if you try, you can find someone who will - there are quite a few delegates out there, surely one of them can be cajoled into coming (if you offer them something they like).

Sorry, had to put in my plug for big cubes BLD.

 

[tim]

then how come if we follow exact competition regulations at home its counted as unnoficial? if what u say is true and offical means as part of wca rules. they are besides im not the one who first said it was official anyway, just going by what people said, because Dennis said that Ron said it was official.

Read the wca rules and you'll notice that you can't follow all rules at home.

btw.: one of my friends says, that Elvis Presley is still alive. So it has to be true.

 

[Derrick Eide17]

Derrick, the solution for this is simple - organize your own competition, focus on multiBLD, and set the time limit to something you're happy with. Until and unless they change the rules, there's nothing stopping you from setting up a 10 hour attempt, if that's what you want to do.

I figure the best format for someone who wants to do this is to set it up something like this, for a one-day event. Tentative schedule:

4:00 AM: Pre-registration, start of multiBLD attempt, best of 1, 10 hour limit
2:00 PM: Official registration begins
3:00 PM: 3x3x3 first round, avg of 5
4:00 PM: 3x3x3 BLD combined final
5:00 PM: Feature event: 4x4x4 BLD and 5x5x5 BLD (best of 2, best of 1)
6:00 PM: 3x3x3 final round
6:30 PM: Awards ceremony
7:00 PM: Afterparty

That gets all the most important events in, and you won't even have to have all your judges around - just your main judge plus maybe one or two others to make sure the stopwatches are manned adequately. And of course you'll need at least 2 competitors for the multiBLD (as well as the very important big cubes BLD, which you'll notice I put as the featured event before the final 3x3x3 ).

Probably the trickiest part of all this is finding a delegate willing to come for this. But surely if you try, you can find someone who will - there are quite a few delegates out there, surely one of them can be cajoled into coming (if you offer them something they like).

Sorry, had to put in my plug for big cubes BLD.

then how come if we follow exact competition regulations at home its counted as unnoficial? if what u say is true and offical means as part of wca rules. they are besides im not the one who first said it was official anyway, just going by what people said, because Dennis said that Ron said it was official.

Read the wca rules and you'll notice that you can't follow all rules at home.

btw.: one of my friends says, that Elvis Presley is still alive. So it has to be true.

@mike: Lol i could never have a competition where i am, no cuber would even come, and I am Dirt Poor. but i just hope others have their own competitions so we can have people do more then just the same amount of cubes MultiBLD over and over and over and over and over and over again.

@Tim: Um its not a matter of if its true or not, Ron said it was official, Tyson said it was official and Rowe only had 2:30 at Nationals and that to me = Official.

 

[tim]

@Tim: Um its not a matter of if its true or not, Ron said it was official, Tyson said it was official and Rowe only had 2:30 at Nationals and that to me = Official.

Did you talk to Tyson?

Anyway: i think i'm talking against a wall. I won't waste any more time arguing with you.

 

[Derrick Eide17]

It's great, since i always saw multi bld as the "hour cards" for speedcubing.

Dennis: The only reason i'm faster than you is, that you didn't practice as much as i did.

SO you know this for a FACT THEN? and u LIVED with Dennis every single night and day and witnessed how much less he practiced then you did? see we all dont know things for sure but mention them too...

Plus when i hear from people like Dennis, Rowe etc i believe them cause i dont expect the whole speedcubing community to be a bunch of liars, and i expect them to know what they are talking about.

 

[joey]

Wait, you're know calling tim a liar?

 

[Derrick Eide17]

NO never would i really call any cuber i liar. He just kept saying how i should'nt believe all these things that i hear from other cubers, so im just saying i dont expect All these cubers in the community to be just LIEING to me.

 

[tim]

NO never would i really call any cuber i liar. He just kept saying how i should'nt believe all these things that i hear from other cubers, so im just saying i dont expect All these cubers in the community to be just LIEING to me.

Didn't you call Mátyás several times a liar? Sorry, i couldn't resist .

 

[Derrick Eide17]

Lol funny how were back to matyas xD hes like a curse.

anyway i don't think i called him a liar, but okay even if i did, look i was right lol. he still has'nt even admitted to it btw.. but yeah this isnt the topic for it anyway lol i don't wanna start a whole nother arguement about THAT

 

[Dene]

Oh nice one Tim. But then this makes you a liar:

Anyway: i think i'm talking against a wall. I won't waste any more time arguing with you.

 

[tim]

Oh nice one Tim. But then this makes you a liar:

Anyway: i think i'm talking against a wall. I won't waste any more time arguing with you.

I wouldn't call that arguing. It was just too off-topic .

 

[Derrick Eide17]

Screw it.. lets just all make up and kiss. lol


Edit: people reading this are probably gonna think im gay or something now..... DAMNIT lol.

 

[andrewvo1324]

Screw it.. lets just all make up and kiss. lol


Edit: people reading this are probably gonna think im gay or something now..... DAMNIT lol.

Is that offer still up derrick =]


"make up and kiss"

i mean if it is.....pm me.

 

[mrbiggs]

Come on now, guys. It's obvious that there are fairness issues if there are irregular time limits at competitions for events where the maximum time limit obviously and immediately affects your ability to do well in the competition.

What if there was a multi blind limit of 30 seconds? No one would be able to solve any. What if there was a limit of a week? There would be a guaranteed world record.

There's no question in my mind that the WCA absolutely needs to set guidelines on the maximum time for multiblind because it's unique in that the time spent for it directly affects the results. (FMC has that property too, but it's already standardized). At the very least they should set a fairly limited range, 2:30-4:30 or something like that. This would allow organizers some flexibility to create feasible tournament schedules while making sure that competitors have similar chances at doing well no matter what tournament they go to.