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[Zubon]

It hurts the customers in theory becuase the lower price means that Dayan/Mf8/Who ever don't get as much money from profits, ......

The supplier/manufacturer sells the cubes to the vendors at (I assume) the same price for all. How much those vendors charge and what profits they decide they want to make is up to them. DaYan still gets the money even if lightake decides to give them away for free.

Edit: Fiftyniner beat me to it.

I think the main factor here is that Calvin is not only the supplier, but he has his own store selling cubes. By controlling the supply of DaYans, he has a conflict of interest. The less cubes the cheaper stores sell, the more profit his relatively more expensive store makes. He doesn't care about the community or the cube designers, he wants money for his own business and is using his position to make as much money as he can.

 

[Nestor]

I think the main factor here is that Calvin is not only the supplier, but he has his own store selling cubes. By controlling the supply of DaYans, he has a conflict of interest. The less cubes the cheaper stores sell, the more profit his relatively more expensive store makes. He doesn't care about the community or the cube designers, he wants money for his own business and is using his position to make as much money as he can.

Seems like it.

 

[gundamslicer]

What? There's a lingyun 2? Don't tell me its the lunhui...

 

[demma]

I think the main factor here is that Calvin is not only the supplier, but he has his own store selling cubes. By controlling the supply of DaYans, he has a conflict of interest. The less cubes the cheaper stores sell, the more profit his relatively more expensive store makes. He doesn't care about the community or the cube designers, he wants money for his own business and is using his position to make as much money as he can.

This is what I was traying to show all the time. The fact that he is mixing this with "LT hurts Mr. Dayan feeling last day" makes me sick. What feelings? Are you kidding me? This is all about money.

I bookmarked HKstore seeing how zhanchi is cheaper there than at lightake. Bookmark removed.

Same here.

I dont think he is getting the message the way he is harping on the same thing.

Exactly.

 

[sa11297]

i am not sure what side I am on. I want to here form the various manufacturers (dayan, mf8, etc)

 

[Clayy9]

What? There's a lingyun 2? Don't tell me its the lunhui...

...

The Dayan factory current has no more production on the LingYun 1, and so it will be discontinued after sold out.
The Lingyun 2 will be released in July or August.

 

[CRO]

Not buying from HK anymore

 

[theace]

Not buying from HK anymore

+1

I support LT anyway. I don't like the fact that I have to pay more for cubes I like. No one from India likes it. As is, they are rather expensive for us. This just makes things MUCH worse.

 

[calvinfan]

After round-table discussion, I am just representing Mr. Dayan, Mr. mf8 and many cube wholesalers to execute the price control policy which takes effect on 1st June 2011.
We have more than thousands of cube retailers in the world, so that we have prices control policy to protect all our honor customers.
We can not endure one dishonest retailer and seriously hurt all other thousands of retailers.
Quite surprise that you guys are supporting the dishonest one, hurting for those working hard for their families and being honest to the rules/agreements.

So, you guys wanna stand at the side of Lightake, so to let all other Dayan retailers to go bankrupt and have them unemployed.
If you have a family member being one of the Dayan retailers being prosecuted by Lightake un-authorized prices, you happy to see that ?

 

[Clayy9]

As I understand it, forcing LighTake to raise their prices does not increase profit for (Dayan, MF8, etc...), but it does make customers unhappy, therefore hurting the one that caused it (represented by HKNowStore). What is the point?

 

[Nestor]

Calvin, I think you are confusing "dishonesty" with FREE MARKET. Competition is good and by fixing prices to protect retailers the only ones that are affected are the consumers.

Do you think people living in poor countries with devaluated currency and tight income (as myself) can afford buying at Mefferts? Lightake was a viable option for people like me and now I am being pushed the same regulated price everywhere, undercutting my purchasing capacity.

Just bear in mind: if I have to buy a product at the same price everywhere, I would not choose HKstore as it is the one that I perceive as pushing what I consider dishonest business. Remember Calvin, that the most of the world lives in capitalistic societies, that these market regulations are illegal in most countries and they **** off consumers..

 

[Fred Bloggs]

I don't see how "loss leaders" is dishonest. It's standard business practice.
Go to business school and learn about retail. Whilst your there ask about not p*ssing off your customers.
Pile 'um high sell 'um cheap.
Capitalism is all about free market. If you don't like this go back to your communist ways. China is selling labour lower than market rates! How does the West compete? Don't talk to us about price fixing.
Never going to buy from HK Now Store again. Lightake has my full support no matter what price they are FORCED to sell at.

 

[calvinfan]

As I understand it, forcing LighTake to raise their prices does not increase profit for (Dayan, MF8, etc...), but it does make customers unhappy, therefore hurting the one that caused it (represented by HKNowStore). What is the point?

Say again, None can force other to do anything.
Can anybody force you to date a girl you don;t like ?

Calvin, I think you are confusing "dishonesty" with FREE MARKET. Competition is good and by fixing prices to protect retailers the only ones that are affected are the consumers.

Do you think people living in poor countries with devaluated currency and tight income (as myself) can afford buying at Mefferts? Lightake was a viable option for people like me and now I am being pushed the same regulated price everywhere, undercutting my purchasing capacity.

Just bear in mind: if I have to buy a product at the same price everywhere, I would not choose HKstore as it is the one that I perceive as pushing what I consider dishonest business. Remember Calvin, that the most of the world lives in capitalistic societies, that these market regulations are illegal in most countries and they **** off consumers..

Mr. Dayan had in person tell the price rules to Lightake, Lightake argee on the rules and get the cubes.
But, he cheated and broke his words by offering coupons, LT points and free register airmail over USD 15.
Don't you regard it as dis-honesty ?
Mr. Dayan follows the price policy of Rubiks and Meffert's. If you do think "free market" is good, you can try convenice Mr. Dayan and Mr. mf8.
I am just representing them to execute their policy.

Seems I am repeating the sentence again and again. But, you guys still keep asking...

 

[Clayy9]

Say again, None can force other to do anything.
Can anybody force you to date a girl you don;t like ?

But, why are you/Dayan/MF8 doing this? What is the point?

Mr. Dayan had in person tell the price rules to Lightake, Lightake argee on the rules and get the cubes. But, he cheated and broke his words by offering coupons, LT points and free register airmail over USD 15.

You said the rules were in effect starting June 1, 2011. Have they broken it since then? Also, in what way AT ALL does their "free registered airmail over USD 15" effect Dayan/MF8? This, I suspect, had no rules concerning it.

Seems I am repeating the sentence again and again. But, you guys still keep ask for ...

If we keep asking questions, that means you aren't giving an applicable (or sensible) answer.

 

[MaeLSTRoM]

...offering coupons, LT points and free register airmail over USD 15.
Don't you regard it as dis-honesty ?

I can understand how the coupons hurt it, becuase it means less money is being spent on it, same for the LT points, but I honestly think that they can use whatever shipping they wantn that's up to them. The fact it's free above 15USD might even be becuase the rest of their store makes enough money for this to happen.
So coupons+Offers yes, but the shipping? No, that is not relevant

 

[garcijo]

Complainig about Lightake's Points Program is just stupid, if they give you one point for every 10 dollars, and 10 LP are 1 dollar, you need to buy 100$ in products to get a 1% discount so it just looks stupid that you say that Mr. Dayan feels offended by Lightake offering a 1% discount. And you can't also threaten them for offering free shipping when you offer it too. I suggest you get better excuses to mess with their prices.

 

[theace]

Is there nothing we can do as consumers to not have to pay more?

 

[Fred Bloggs]

Is there nothing we can do as consumers to not have to pay more?

Yes. Don't buy them. If nobody buy, the price will fall.

 

[Jungleterrain]

Yes. Don't buy them. If nobody buy, the price will fall.

Lol. If that happens for too long they'll go out of business.

 

[calvinfan]

But, why are you/Dayan/MF8 doing this? What is the point?

Mr. Dayan and Mr. mf8 follow the same pricing sytem as Rubiks and Mefferts.
For details, you can ask Mr. Dayan and Mr. mf8 in person.

You said the rules were in effect starting June 1, 2011. Have they broken it since then? Also, in what way AT ALL does their "free registered airmail over USD 15" effect Dayan/MF8? This, I suspect, had no rules concerning it.

The rules were there at day 1 of Dayan cube has been released. Since lightake keep cheating and breaking his words, and hurting all others. Even several cube shops were closed and some people unemployed becaused of Lightake's under-cutting prices or with his sneaky coupons, LT points and free registered airmail.

If we keep asking questions, that means you aren't giving an applicable (or sensible) answer.

Hope you can understand this time.
Thanks for your time.