What to do with popping in competition?

[RubikZz]

Hello,,

I had today with the weekly competition (11) that my 4x4 Dayan + MF8 popped.
But it was not only one of the edged, is was also the corner.
I pushed it back en later I say I pushed it wrong back, I get a Anti Sune wit one corner to you and not to the side, (I hope you understand, but it was wrong).
I had soon a competition and I'm afraid I get it with that competition.
What should I do if I get that, is it then DNF or should you pop de edge out and do the corner good.

I hope you understanding it whit my bad English.

thanks,

Mathijs.

 

[masterofthebass]

If you read through the regulations, you'd see that a competitor is allowed to remove pieces in order to make the puzzle solveable.

 

[Carson]

Pops happen all the time in competition. Just pick the piece(s) up and reassemble. Depending on where you are at in the solve, you may end up putting an edge or corner in wrong, I have done it many times myself... when you realize it, just stop, pull out ONLY the affected pieces, and put them back in correctly.

Notes: You may pull out a maximum of four pieces to fix the issue, but in reality you would not even need to remove that many on a 3x3. Also, you cannot make the cube easier to solve during the process. ie. you cannot convert what would have been an N perm into a T perm or anything like that.

Edit: Dan... Ninja...

 

[Godmil]

From here

5b) If a puzzle defect occurs, the competitor may choose to continue the solve (before or after repairing the defect) or choose to stop the solve.

5b3) If after repairing the puzzle, but still during the solve, the competitor notices that the puzzle is unsolvable, he may disassemble and assemble max. 4 pieces to make the puzzle solvable again.

EDIT: Agh, double ninja'd

 

[amostay2004]

Also, you cannot make the cube easier to solve during the process. ie. you cannot convert what would have been an N perm into a T perm or anything like that.

That is hard to say though. Say you have a pop during F2L and during OLL you realise you have 3 edges oriented. Obviously you're gonna pop out and flip the unoriented edge, does that count as making it easier? Also most of the time during PLL when you realise the cube is unsolvable due to pop (ie getting a 4x4 PLL parity case on a 3x3), you would first do an easy PLL then fix the pieces.

 

[Kenneth]

That is hard to say though. Say you have a pop during F2L and during OLL you realise you have 3 edges oriented. Obviously you're gonna pop out and flip the unoriented edge, does that count as making it easier? Also most of the time during PLL when you realise the cube is unsolvable due to pop (ie getting a 4x4 PLL parity case on a 3x3), you would first do an easy PLL then fix the pieces.

Yes, you can 'cheat' to some degree, but I doubt you will break your PB

 

[DavidWoner]

Also most of the time during PLL when you realise the cube is unsolvable due to pop (ie getting a 4x4 PLL parity case on a 3x3), you would first do an easy PLL then fix the pieces.

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In what universe would this be against the rules? OMG YOU TURNED THE CUBE AND NOW ITS CLOSER TO SOLVED THAT'S CHEATING.

 

[amostay2004]

I was referring to what Carson said about cheating, where you can't turn an N perm into a T perm. But say you fixed the cube wrongly and during PLL you face parity, you can choose to do, for example, a T perm instead of an F perm before fixing the pieces so in a way you're choosing a better solution.

Of course, like Kenneth said, not that it really matters because it's gonna be a bad solve anyway.

 

[Kirjava]

You could potentially fix parity on a 4x4x4 faster with a pop than with an alg. UH OH

 

[Forte]

I always think that someone is going to do this in sq1 ):

 

[AvGalen]

IF the "but you cannot make it easier to solve" is still in the rules you cannot almost solve the cube and then flip/twist the last unsolved edge/corner
IF that happens to me in competition I flip/twist another edge/corner and then perform a blindfolded alg that only solves those two pieces.

In theory you would need to take out at most 3 pieces:
- 1 flipped edge (Edge Orientation error)
- 1 twisted corner (Corner Orientation error)
- another corner OR another edge if you end up with only 2 mispermuted corners/edges (Permutation error)

 

[RubikZz]

Thanks, everybody to reply, I know it and I know what to do in competitions.

 

[Kirjava]

IF the "but you cannot make it easier to solve" is still in the rules you cannot almost solve the cube and then flip/twist the last unsolved edge/corner
IF that happens to me in competition I flip/twist another edge/corner and then perform a blindfolded alg that only solves those two pieces.

This is easily circumventable.

When doing LL on 4x4x4 and getting to the last six edges (after solving a dedge), I can easily detect parity and I doubt the judge that is watching me is doing the same (unlikely that he could even if he tried). Popping at this point would allow me to fix the parity and I could feign ignorance and say there was no intent to make the case easier. I seriously doubt anyone would even realise that this had happened, much less that they would call me out on it.