What times do you average for 3x3 speed?

[nlCuber22]

12- I suppose.

 

[Andreaillest]

19+. Eh, I'm slowly progressing.

 

[SixSidedCube]

19 + Im finally starting to get consistent(ish) ~20 solves

 

[Dene]

It's an extremely broad "slow" category, though.

Ya but no one cares about slow people. Any nub can get sub20 in less than 4 months these days.

 

[AvGalen]

Ya but no one cares about slow people. Any nub can get sub20 in less than 4 months these days.

not me though, and I am doing an average of 12 every day since january AND learned the G-Perms. I DID get a crazy sub 18 3/5 and a nice sub 20 10/12 but I am normally still doing 21 average. And I don't think anyone can call me a noob.
(am I the only one that is soo fast on bigcubes and so slow on 3x3x3?)

 

[amostay2004]

An average of 12 a day is hardly real practice though, it's only a few minutes of cubing.

 

[Hiero]

It seems like the point of this thread has turned into how arrogant fast speedcubers are. Instead of encouraging the rest of the community, it's time to degrade anyone who is not as fast as you are. Feliks should make his own thread saying how anyone over 10 seconds really sucks and doesn't care about cubing, especially the really slow noobs stuck at the 13-14 second barrier. Anyone with a week of practice should be under 10 seconds.

I think the reason people who are under 20 seconds display such immaturity and little compassion for anyone else is probably because of the average age of speedcubers. Teenagers and 20 year olds are still in the mentality of "let me show you how good I am and how much you suck", instead of "hey, let me share my wisdom with you". The mentality of a young person is if they are at 20 seconds, then anyone over 21 seconds sucks, if they are at 15, then anyone over 16 seconds sucks and so on.

I'm around 22-25 seconds, but I still get excited when a student of mine first breaks the 2 or 3 minute barrier with the beginner method. I tell them "oh, wow, you're getting really fast." That's how you encourage people, because for that particular student 2 minutes is fast. It's not good for most people to think the top speedcubers are arrogant a-holes. That's not something most people want to aspire to. Maybe it's a psychological problem where fast speedcubers get picked on by people because they are nerds, so now they need to show their dominance to the other nerds to feel better about themselves.

 

[JustinJ]

It seems like the point of this thread has turned into how arrogant fast speedcubers are. Instead of encouraging the rest of the community, it's time to degrade anyone who is not as fast as you are. Feliks should make his own thread saying how anyone over 10 seconds really sucks and doesn't care about cubing, especially the really slow noobs stuck at the 13-14 second barrier. Anyone with a week of practice should be under 10 seconds.

I think the reason people who are under 20 seconds display such immaturity and little compassion for anyone else is probably because of the average age of speedcubers. Teenagers and 20 year olds are still in the mentality of "let me show you how good I am and how much you suck", instead of "hey, let me share my wisdom with you". The mentality of a young person is if they are at 20 seconds, then anyone over 21 seconds sucks, if they are at 15, then anyone over 16 seconds sucks and so on.

I'm around 22-25 seconds, but I still get excited when a student of mine first breaks the 2 or 3 minute barrier with the beginner method. I tell them "oh, wow, you're getting really fast." That's how you encourage people, because for that particular student 2 minutes is fast. It's not good for most people to think the top speedcubers are arrogant a-holes. That's not something most people want to aspire to. Maybe it's a psychological problem where fast speedcubers get picked on by people because they are nerds, so now they need to show their dominance to the other nerds to feel better about themselves.

You're totally misinterpreting this. The reason people are saying over-20 doesn't matter is that they're interested in seeing the progression of the higher levels of speedcubing, rather than the lower ones. Think of it this way, when people are trying to see the progression of sports, do they ask the people who aren't as competitive yet, or the ones at the top?

 

[AvGalen]

An average of 12 a day is hardly real practice though, it's only a few minutes of cubing.

12 cubes a day * 365 days * 5 years = roughly 20.000 solves!
Solving 1 cube takes me about 1 minute (scrambling, inspection, solving, writing down times). So 12 solves take about 10-15 minutes.
Please go do that amount of push-ups every day and say it isn't practice!

(my way of saying that I agree that sub 20 solvers are underestimating how much practice it takes to get sub 20. PS, I just did 31.72 27.27 21.22 25.22 17.34 19.84 17.53 19.19 23.21 26.96 23.03 42.16 and there is a 3/5 sub 19 average in there. The really slow solves are messed up G-Perms)

 

[Anonymous]

It seems like the point of this thread has turned into how arrogant fast speedcubers are. Instead of encouraging the rest of the community, it's time to degrade anyone who is not as fast as you are. Feliks should make his own thread saying how anyone over 10 seconds really sucks and doesn't care about cubing, especially the really slow noobs stuck at the 13-14 second barrier. Anyone with a week of practice should be under 10 seconds.

I think the reason people who are under 20 seconds display such immaturity and little compassion for anyone else is probably because of the average age of speedcubers. Teenagers and 20 year olds are still in the mentality of "let me show you how good I am and how much you suck", instead of "hey, let me share my wisdom with you". The mentality of a young person is if they are at 20 seconds, then anyone over 21 seconds sucks, if they are at 15, then anyone over 16 seconds sucks and so on.

I'm around 22-25 seconds, but I still get excited when a student of mine first breaks the 2 or 3 minute barrier with the beginner method. I tell them "oh, wow, you're getting really fast." That's how you encourage people, because for that particular student 2 minutes is fast. It's not good for most people to think the top speedcubers are arrogant a-holes. That's not something most people want to aspire to. Maybe it's a psychological problem where fast speedcubers get picked on by people because they are nerds, so now they need to show their dominance to the other nerds to feel better about themselves.

Why would you say that? You've been here since 2009, but you haven't even realized yet how much advice and common wisdom comes from fast people? Seriously, no no one is trying to be in your face about their times- they're just saying that the whole point of this thread is to track the progress of fast people. At this point, if you're not sub-15, you're really not even that fast- so if you haven't broken twenty seconds yet, you're just not fast at all. And were those insults necessary? Do you actually think that all the fast people here are not only out to get slow people because they're slow? That they're all nerd with inferiority complexes?

tl;dr That was an insulting and rather stupid thing to say.

[On topic] I average 16.

 

[Hiero]

You're totally misinterpreting this. The reason people are saying over-20 doesn't matter is that they're interested in seeing the progression of the higher levels of speedcubing, rather than the lower ones. Think of it this way, when people are trying to see the progression of sports, do they ask the people who aren't as competitive yet, or the ones at the top?

I don't see where the title or the original post said this at all. This thread was a remake of another one that was an attempt to group the times in better categories. The original thread included several categories for people over 20 seconds. Some people said 20-40 seconds was too broad of a category. This thread didn't present itself as just an elite cuber thread, but regrouping the times to make sense to people. If people thought 20-40 was too broad, then why make everyone over 19 seconds into one category?

If you are interested now only in seeing the progression of the sub-20 levels of speedcubing, then make a thread titled that or put that description in the original post. I would understand that. Also, the extra bashing of people over 19 seconds isn't really needed. Posters didn't understand that this was focusing only on elite cubers. You can say something to the effect of, "I understand there are many cubers over 20 seconds, but this thread is focusing on people who are under 20 seconds and how much improvement they have made", instead of some of the other comments people have made.

 

[Vinny]

I average just sub 20 so I voted 19+ though.

 

[Hiero]

Why would you say that? You've been here since 2009, but you haven't even realized yet how much advice and common wisdom comes from fast people? Seriously, no no one is trying to be in your face about their times- they're just saying that the whole point of this thread is to track the progress of fast people. At this point, if you're not sub-15, you're really not even that fast- so if you haven't broken twenty seconds yet, you're just not fast at all. And were those insults necessary? Do you actually think that all the fast people here are not only out to get slow people because they're slow? That they're all nerd with inferiority complexes?tl;dr That was an insulting and rather stupid thing to say.

[On topic] I average 16.

They are not all nerdy with inferiority complexes, but some definitely are and again, I don't see where it was said that this was to track the progress of only fast people.

I average just sub 20 so I voted 19+ though.

Nobody cares.

 

[Anonymous]

I don't see where the title or the original post said this at all. This thread was a remake of another one that was an attempt to group the times in better categories. The original thread included several categories for people over 20 seconds. Some people said 20-40 seconds was too broad of a category. This thread didn't present itself as just an elite cuber thread, but regrouping the times to make sense to people. If people thought 20-40 was too broad, then why make everyone over 19 seconds into one category?

If you are interested now only in seeing the progression of the sub-20 levels of speedcubing, then make a thread titled that or put that description in the original post. I would understand that. Also, the extra bashing of people over 19 seconds isn't really needed. Posters didn't understand that this was focusing only on elite cubers. You can say something to the effect of, "I understand there are many cubers over 20 seconds, but this thread is focusing on people who are under 20 seconds and how much improvement they have made", instead of some of the other comments people have made.

There was actually zero bashing... just people pointing out that it's not that interesting to see "slow" people's progress. Why make everyone who's 19 + one category? Because I'm getting the feeling that this thread isn't for them.

EDIT: The fact that there's only one 19+ category is an indicator in itself that the point of this is to track faster people. Even so, Amos qq and Dene all clarified the purpose of this thread a little bit later.

 

[JackJ]

(am I the only one that is soo fast on bigcubes and so slow on 3x3x3?)

Nope. http://www.worldcubeassociation.org/results/p.php?i=2009CASA02

 

[Zubon]

Anything above 20 doesn't really matter srsly

Well, maybe you might think that, but look at the results of this poll. It is obvious that the large majority of people who voted are well over 20 seconds. There are people who are young and fast, but there are also a lot of experienced and well regarded cubers who are still averaging over 20 after many years. Sub 20 cubers are a minority even on the largest speedcubing forum on the internet. Saying that the majority of people in the cubing community "don't matter" is not exactly accurate.

 

[amostay2004]

12 cubes a day * 365 days * 5 years = roughly 20.000 solves!
Solving 1 cube takes me about 1 minute (scrambling, inspection, solving, writing down times). So 12 solves take about 10-15 minutes.
Please go do that amount of push-ups every day and say it isn't practice!

(my way of saying that I agree that sub 20 solvers are underestimating how much practice it takes to get sub 20. PS, I just did 31.72 27.27 21.22 25.22 17.34 19.84 17.53 19.19 23.21 26.96 23.03 42.16 and there is a 3/5 sub 19 average in there. The really slow solves are messed up G-Perms)

What I meant about the few minutes of cubing is the actual solving times not including scrambling and writing down times that obviously don't contribute towards improvement. Even if you include those times, 10-15 minutes is very short. It's really not a lot compared to what most sub-20 cubers spend each day practising.

And come on you should know practising for different things cannot be compared like that, the same way 10-15 minutes of pull-ups is not the same thing as 10-15 minutes of say basketball.

Also it's pretty obvious that people nowadays are improving a lot faster than they were 2-3 years ago because of better cubes, better algs, etc.

All of us who average sub-20 have clearly once struggled to get sub-20 average so I suppose we do know how hard it is to get there


@Hiero: No one is degrading or bashing anyone for being slow here (except for goatsforever but in case you didn't notice he was just being funny). If you're that unhappy about people making threads for fast people only, go ahead and make a poll and have an 'under 20 seconds' category for fast people, and then 20-25, 25-30, etc. And for someone who calls us immature, you're being immature for stereotyping our 'mentality' like that. A lot of us get excited if someone we teach gets faster too no matter how slow there but hey, that's totally unrelated to this thread. I hope you get it.

 

[Reinier Schippers]

voted 13+ its is now 1 year and 4 weeks since i started speedcubing seriously

 

[amostay2004]

Well, maybe you might think that, but look at the results of this poll. It is obvious that the large majority of people who voted are well over 20 seconds. There are people who are young and fast, but there are also a lot of experienced and well regarded cubers who are still averaging over 20 after many years. Sub 20 cubers are a minority even on the largest speedcubing forum on the internet. Saying that the majority of people in the cubing community "don't matter" is not exactly accurate.

Come on, I don't mean they 'don't matter' as in we shouldn't care about them at all.
Yes, they are the majority obviously. Still there's nothing wrong with grouping them together as the sup-20 group. There's no real need to know how many are 20-30, 31-50, etc because there really isn't a point now is there? If Dene didn't care about them, he wouldn't have bothered to put the 19+ option and just stop at 19.

 

[Hiero]

It's not like it really matters, but whenever we get one of these "objective" polls about how fast people are it's always centered around the OP personal times and what they think is important. If we are looking at the really elite, I would say you need to have averaged under 13 or even 12 seconds. That would put you in the top 250 or 121 respectively. Someone who gets 18 second averages and ranks 2000 in the world doesn't matter much more than anyone else. Someone who averages around 15 seconds only matters slightly more, but really has no impact on the top levels of speedcubing.