Sexuality

[uberCuber]

All i'm saying as that i'm not a "little gay sometimes"....
Some people would look at this and say that i'm insecure about my sexual orientation.
I just don't like people calling me things that i'm not. That applies to like everything I do.
Maybe you're not 100% straight, but I'd like to think i'm pretty close.
I don't find the male personality attractive in nearly any way, as I don't get excited over the male physicality either.
And that's okay either way, for either of us.

this post pretty much sums up exactly what I wanted to say

 

[riffz]

I've never felt an attraction to a male before.

I say do what makes you happy. I respect whatever someone chooses or feels compelled to do. It's none of my concern anyway.

 

[PatrickJameson]

The problem is that, firstly, children know that they are different. So curiosity is going to lead to a variety of problems.

There will also be embarrassment for different children. Of course, perhaps if the entire mentality of society changed so that no one cared about the physical form then there would be no issues. However I think this is impossible; there is a lot of evidence to show genetic preferences for various traits, such as waist-hip ratio, which explains why corsets are so sexy.

I don't think I even need to bother explaining why this would be a horrible idea with teenagers/adults. Rates of sexual assault would go through the roof.

Depends what we are making unisex. I'm unsure what TheManInBlack meant when he said, "rooms to change in". If he means changing rooms such as those found in US stores(unsure about how other countries do stuff), then there's nothing to discuss. I assume he meant, "locker rooms" such as those found in gyms. A more mild example would be unisex restrooms. I don't know of many cases where children would partake in such activities such as joining a gym, so I don't think that would be a problem. Possible teenager/adult assaults would definitely be a problem in a public area such as a gym locker room. A more mild area such as a restroom would be perfectly fine the way I see it.

Regardless, the topic of those with non-standard sexualities can still be used. Sure, the chances of assaults occurring are quite low, however it can be speculated whether it's fine to be able to be attracted to the same sex which you change with, as that a large reason why we split males and females in the first place.

 

[qqwref]

If the idea behind gender-segregated locker rooms is to prevent people who are attracted to each other from changing together, and you tried to apply that idea to homosexuality and bisexuality, wouldn't that mean that:
- each gay man would have to be in a separate room with at most one person (who would have to be a lesbian), and vice versa
- each bisexual person would have to be in a separate room by themselves?
Seems like this would be pretty hard to deal with for a school/gym.

 

[Dene]

I think the idea is not to separate based on whom one finds attractive, but rather to separate based on the physical differences, namely, males have penises and females have vaginas and breasts. The reason they are separated on physical characteristics is, I think, a traditional social custom that I believe is still perfectly acceptable. I think it's more to do with being comfortable around those who are the "same" as you, and not being embarrassed by those of the opposite sex, for whatever reason one might find that embarrassing (such as when pubic hair starts to grow, and when size of penises/breasts becomes topical in teenage years). A lot of people still feel uncomfortable changing in public areas (such as swimming pools) in front of other people, regardless of whether they are all guys or all girls.

 

[qqwref]

I was replying to the person who said it would make sense for gay men to have separate rooms to change in - I don't think it does make sense (even if you assume it's a good idea to segregate people based on sexual orientation).

 

[ElectricDoodie]

Wow, fatboy and musicninja pretty much summed up everything I wanted to say.
Good job, lol.



On to the locker room scenario.

Now, I thought the reason I couldn't change in the same locker room as a girl, was because I want to touch her boobs. That's because I am straight, and like looking at hot girls.
So, wouldn't this mean that for a gay guy, he would also want to look at the hot guys? Meaning he gets to do so, since he changes with other guys.

Now, for an actual anecdote to back myself up.
This will get naughty, so don't continue reading if you don't want to.
I have a lesbian friend. In High School, we had gym class together. Whenever we had to change in the locker rooms, she used to watch this one really hot girl change, then go in the bathroom and finger herself with the image of that girl changing. So, yes, it does happen.

 

[izovire]

Homosexuality has bothered me on a couple occasions (that I won't discuss here). But other than that I have no problem with it. What really bothers me the most is how Religion destroys gay rights. My cousin is gay and his parents (my aunt and uncle) and my grandparents brought him to church to try and cast the demon out of him... which was totally abusive. This all happened when he was 17 and was very unsure about whether his sexuality was good or bad to the rest of the world. I actually stepped in to support him and I got into the circle of argument with the family... At first they thought I was gay also, simply because I was giving support. It turned out that I received more crap thereafter for being Atheist and "worshipping the Devil" :fp

 

[Bapao]

So if I don't want to suck some dude's dick, I'm close minded? Not everyone is pansexual.

I 2nd this.
I don't choose to be heterosexual, I just am.
I'm not suppressing homosexual feelings due to social taboos as there's nothing there to suppress; I just don't dig guys.

 

[d4m4s74]

The changing room thing might have some merit. I mean, there's a men and there's a woman's changing room, the reason they're segregated is probably because girls don't want guys to see them naked and the other way around.
So having homosexuals in the same changing room as you is equal to having girls in the changing room (if you're a guy) and having lesbians in the girls changing room is like having guys in there.

but hey, then you still have bisexuals, and the fact that gay guys and girls can still have sexual tension among each other. So let's just abolish the idea of group changing rooms all together.

 

[amostay2004]

So let's just abolish the idea of group changing rooms all together.

+1 to that. I don't know about you people but I don't feel comfortable being naked in a room full of guys as well, whatever their sexual orientation is. Maybe that's why we don't really have such changing rooms in Malaysia

 

[Stefan]

having homosexuals in the same changing room as you is equal to having girls in the changing room (if you're a guy)

No. If you're a hetero guy, you're unlikely to feel arousal by seeing homo guys, but you might feel arousal by seeing girls (and it might show), so not equal. Or you might feel uncomfortable being seen naked by people different from you, so again not equal. I'm rather confused, because you said that yourself right before.

 

[PatrickJameson]

No. If you're a hetero guy, you're unlikely to feel arousal by seeing homo guys, but you might feel arousal by seeing girls (and it might show), so not equal. Or you might feel uncomfortable being seen naked by people different from you, so again not equal.

I don't see how this carries through. If you are a homo guy you could feel arousal by seeing both homo and hetero guys. Same with females(see ElectricDoodie's story).

 

[Stefan]

I don't see how this carries through. If you are a homo guy you could feel arousal by seeing both homo and hetero guys. Same with females(see ElectricDoodie's story).

To show that it's not equal, it suffices to show that it's different for someone, doesn't need to be different for everyone.

 

[d4m4s74]

I wanted to add at least for half the guys/girls (at the equal to thing), but I thought it was obvious (which makes it unnecessary info)

 

[Ágoston Török]

I reckon if there weren't gay processions, we would expend much less time on this question. Personally that's the only thing that bothers me. Otherwise I just don't care about gay people as long as they leave me alone (and they do).

 

[hatter]

In all honesty, separate changing rooms are not practical.

First of all, it sounds a lot like "separate but equal". It's very, very similar to the black (or HIV/AIDS) bathrooms, water fountains, etc. Also, though many gay people realize they are gay at a young age (before even knowing the word), it takes many, many years for them to become comfortable enough to be "out". Even if these changing rooms were to be implemented, you would never get all of the gays out of your changing room.

Besides, just like you aren't attracted to every girl/guy, gays aren't attracted to everyone. There is this thought, at least in America, that gays are over sexualized - they think about sex, sex, sex. While this is certainly true for some, it isn't for all. You could argue the same of males in general.

 

[d4m4s74]

It's said that on average, men (all races, all sexualities, all religions) think about sex every seven seconds.

anyway, you're right, separate changing rooms are not practical. First of all for the reasons you mentioned, and because even if those reasons were all null it would still cause awkward situations, for example gay guys not wanting guys they're not attracted to to see them naked.

So I still think personal changing rooms should be an option everywhere you have to change.

Also, I don't mind changing in a public changing room, male only, straight male only or co-ed. I just understand some people are not.

 

[Kirjava]

It's said that on average, men (all races, all sexualities, all religions) think about sex every seven seconds.

I don't know why so many people believe this misconception. It doesn't even /sound/ true.

 

[maggot]

as far as changing rooms, the whole statement that was made was ignorant. to say that gay people are born with a disease and so they should be segregated. that's very ignorant no matter which way you look at it. if you think the idea bestowed deep behind the ignorance is interesting, in fact there is a lot of ways that people currently get around this if they find they are uncomfortable. in japan a lot of people use public baths which are seperated by gender, but at the same time there are people who will not go to the bath because of other men who would do perverted things. it is against the law in japan to do perverted things in public, but there are baths that are practically local gay hookup areas. so, dont go? also, many people in the US in gyms or pools will change in the private shower or bathroom stall, in which they dont have to worry about people staring at them in a sexual manner amongst other more important things like lack of self confidence about the way they look. there is no reason to have seperate areas for everyone, they are already available in other ways. if you are going to give gay or bisexual people their own changing room, you might as well segregate everyone in the way of providing changing rooms for every person. otherwise, its segregation and discrimination. i dont think maninblack meant his comment in any other way than to prove his ignorance.