Need Help Memorising V-Perm

[dabest2500]

I need help memorising this V-Perm: [R' U R' d'] [R' F'] [R2 U' R' U] [R' F R F]
Which I got from here:
http://badmephisto.com/pll.php

Thanks.

 

[Zarxrax]

If you can get a feel for a good fingertrick, its easier to remember I think.

Here's how I do it:

As I do the first R', I pull the U with my pinky finger, and continue doing the other R', almost as one motion.
Then for the d', I sort of actually do a U' with my left index finger while rotating the bottom 2 layers the opposite way with my other fingers on my left hand.
Then, everything up to the final F can be done with the right hand without regripping.

 

[cyoubx]

Then for the d', I think actually do a U' with my left index finger while rotating the whole cube bottom 2 layers the opposite way with my other fingers on my left hand.

Yep, I do this too. All the fingertricks are easy to memorize except maybe the [R2 U' R' U] which you can use tracking to help you. Look at where a piece is moving (like a corner) and that will help a bit. Besides that, you can always just drill the algorithm until you have muscle memory

 

[dabest2500]

I can remember [R' U R' d'] and [R2 U' R' U] fine, but struggle with the rest.
The [R2 U' R' U] is almost like the R U R' U' trigger.

 

[Zarxrax]

I recommend practicing the F perm along with it. Its almost exactly the same.

 

[Selkie]

I learned it at the same time as the F-perm, just has an additional U, making a U2, on second move and it is cancelled out with an extra U' near the end. Learn one and you have both

There are many ways to learn algorythms. I memorise the notation for a new alg before work running over the notation over in my head during the morning. I have converted triggers to colours as in badmephistos PDFs so U memorise, for instance "r' U2 red green r", red being RUR'U' and green being RUR'U, I have other colours that are in addition to the PDFs though. By lunchtime I know the notation easily but have not yet visualised the moves.

I first execute it lunchtime and drill it for 10 mins, obviously recalling from notation from memory.

I drill all algs learned in last 4 days each evening. Within 4 days I have forgotton the notation but remembered the moves and only ever use them again in solves, seems to work well for me. Some algs are just harder to learn the notation and have to be repeated over and over physically to learn the way the cube moves.

Others use other methods but I have to say the often given advise of no more than one a day suits very well and caters for learning a particularly difficult alg within the same timescales.

 

[dabest2500]

I just drilled it in and can do the V-Perm now, thanks everyone, onto the F-Perm now
What times should I aim for the V-Perm?
I'm currently doing 6.5-7 seconds.

 

[Zarxrax]

I can get sub-3, and i kinda suck at it.
Just keep practicing it, and you'll get faster.

 

[dabest2500]

So I should practice till sub 3 for all PLLs?
Including the G Perms (they look really hard)?

 

[Zarxrax]

Its theoretically possible to sub-1 all PLLs (at least 1 person has done it)
Sub-3 for all PLLs is a reasonable goal though.
About half of them are pretty easy to sub-2 though.

 

[dabest2500]

Thanks for everyone's help!

 

[ben1996123]

do it until you can do it without the alg in front of you.

 

[FatBoyXPC]

I recommend learning algs in bits, it makes the process a lot easier. Remember: It's a lot easier to remember four, 3-digit numbers, instead of a 12 digit number (unless you break it up into pieces).

The first 4 moves are a cake walk. If you don't have this trigger down, do it until you do (shouldn't take long). If you don't know the F perm, go ahead and take the above advice, and learn the 2 extra moves so that you learn 2 algs for the price of 1 type thing.

Personally, I do U' + y, but I kind of do a d' push with my right index finger. It still requires a regrip but a smaller one than doing a U' + y.

R' F' can be done two ways: F' with the thumb (like in T perm, probably the "common" or "standard" way to do it), or with an index finger push like Rowan uses (right index at RFU, pushes to UFL).

R2 U' R' U

R' F R F - Similar to Sledge hammer

Work on each of these bits individually, and put them together. Obviously the R' F' R2 U' R' U will flow really well, so put that bit together first. Really the hardest part will be the transition with the d'/U' + y, so it's up to you what to do with that, but find something that feels good and keep consistent with it.


Sub2 for all PLLs is a very achievable goal. If you set out to practice PLL by itself (say 1hr per day), you will quickly get all PLLs sub2. The way I recommend doing it: Pracitce one alg a lot of times, say 20+ times. Then you can move to a different PLL. It really helps to keep a log of where you stand with your PLLs, you can see which ones you need to work on that way.

Remember: Don't turn for TPS, turn for fewer lockups, TPS will come over time (it seems like obvious advice, but seeing/hearing it helps make you realize that you might be making the mistake). G perms especially need fewer lockups, it's easy to sub1.7 them after you get consistent w/o lockups and even a mediocre TPS (mediocre by normal standards, not by Feliks standards ).

 

[ilikecubing]

Dude oh cmon its just a 14 move PLL,If u really wanted to memo it,u cud u have done it yourself without making this thread

Why ppl need help memorizing algorithms,how can others help them in memorising,lol

 

[dabest2500]

Dude oh cmon its just a 14 move PLL,If u really wanted to memo it,u cud u have done it yourself without making this thread

Why ppl need help memorizing algorithms,how can others help them in memorising,lol

This thread helped me a lot.
People give tips on how they memorised it, and it helped me learn the V and F perms.

 

[Ranzha]

Dude oh cmon its just a 14 move PLL,If u really wanted to memo it,u cud u have done it yourself without making this thread

Why ppl need help memorizing algorithms,how can others help them in memorising,lol

Before you make an attempt at asshattery, READ THE ****ING THREAD.
Isn't the point of a forum to hold discussion? I'll always believe that, and this thread definitely contains discussion.
Also, how uncouth you are! At least contribute something.

My way of doing V-perm:

(R' U R' U') (B' (R' y)) (R2 U') (R' U l' U R U).

R' U R' U': Simple trigger which, instead of using middle-ring fingers for a wide turn, does a single layer turn.
B' (R' y): Yeah, I said it. After the U' from the previous step, your right hand is free to do the B'.
As you're doing the B' with your right hand, regrip with the left hand so that your left index finger can to the R' as you rotate the cube. Treat the R' as an F' and use your left index. Now, regrip with the right hand and prepare for the next step.
R2 U': Simple. That regrip is imperative, though.
R' U l' U R U: Start out with R' U l'. It should flow like R' U R', but with the subtle rotation. Your right index should be ready for a U, followed by a quick R U to finish.