Revamped OLL section in alg database

[danthecuber]

If there are going to be that many algorithms, should we start a voting system like BOCA?

A lot of the algs are just the same with different rotations. I counted 9 variants of the same Headlights algorithm that were just different executions without scrolling at all.

Please check the bottom 50 algorithms, which have much smaller number of cases. See if that is the case for one of them. Also, try looking at a PLL case to see if it is the case for one of them as well.
BTW, nothing can be done about the algs I uploaded, like it or not, they can't be removed

 

[Cyrus C.]

Please check the bottom 50 algorithms, which have much smaller number of cases. See if that is the case for one of them.
Also, try looking at a PLL case to see if it is the case for one of them as well.

I chose the last one case. The first 4 of 5 algorithms are R U R' U' R' r U R U' r', R U R' U' r R' U R U' r', R U R' U' M' U R U' r', R' U' R U M U' R' U r.

BTW, nothing can be done about the algs I uploaded, like it or not, they can't be removed

You make a good point, something should be done about this.

Although, I guess if all the good algs stay at the top there isn't too much of a problem having the useless ones at the bottom.

 

[danthecuber]

Although, I guess if all the good algs stay at the top there isn't too much of a problem having the useless ones at the bottom.

I'd have to agree because, some troll could remove every alg then, and that would be bad
The whole point of the alg database is so that all algs entered into it would be secure and correct. The wiki can't necessarily say that.

Also, the algs are sorted by move count, and most people use algs with low move counts, so it would't be too hard to find a useful alg. The wiki doesn't sort algs either. Those are just some of the many practical advantages of using the database over the wiki.

 

[JustinJ]

I'd have to agree because, some troll could remove every alg then, and that would be bad
The whole point of the alg database is so that all algs entered into it would be secure and correct. The wiki can't necessarily say that.

Do you know how a wiki works? When people vandalize it, you can roll back the changes and have them banned.

Having this many algs is completely pointless. Nobody will ever make use of 95% of them.

 

[FatBoyXPC]

The OLL wiki had algorithms for every case last time I checked. I got a decent amount of my OLL algs from the OLL wiki page.

 

[danthecuber]

The OLL wiki had algorithms for every case last time I checked. I got a decent amount of my OLL algs from the OLL wiki page.

I never said that it didn't

Do you know how a wiki works? When people vandalize it, you can roll back the changes and have them banned.

Having this many algs is completely pointless. Nobody will ever make use of 95% of them.

Then the wiki is for you. You still have a choice... to make based on your personal preference, although I hope I have made it clear that mine is the alg database.

 

[amostay2004]

I agree with danthecuber, it is an algorithm database, so there's nothing wrong with having a crazy amount of algs. If you're not willing to sift through so many to look for a good one, go to the wiki instead. Take a look at the BOCA website for example, people seem to just copy paste from Cube Explorer for some of the cases.

Also I personally would like to see the same algs from different angles/fingertricks because I may not have thought of some of them. Of course there will be stupid ones like R U R' U' R' r U R U' r', R U R' U' r R' U R U' r', R U R' U' M' U R U' r', etc but hey you can't have everything right? The best thing is to just have them all and you can decide which ones are good.

 

[badmephisto]

/facepalm .If you want an algorithm database, I can dump cube-explorer generated solutions to every single case for you. You will have thousands and thousands of them, why not put them all up? It's a database!

I suggest a separate page where only the most common algorithms are listed. In most cases, people tend to use 2 or at most 3 variations. It's true.

 

[StachuK1992]

This is disturbing.
At the most, we need ten algs for each case.

Shall we have a voting system as to what ten be kept? This is just...too much.

 

[danthecuber]

off topic: Welcome back to the forums Badmephisto

on topic: The ~10 most common algs already are in the Wiki. There is no point of having the alg database if its just going to have the same algs as the wiki does.

 

[FatBoyXPC]

Yes, but there is a point where too much is too much. Such as the 29 move headlight solution already mentioned.

 

[amostay2004]

/facepalm .If you want an algorithm database, I can dump cube-explorer generated solutions to every single case for you. You will have thousands and thousands of them, why not put them all up? It's a database!

I suggest a separate page where only the most common algorithms are listed. In most cases, people tend to use 2 or at most 3 variations. It's true.

Of course, the downside of having a database is people can just dump CE algs into it, but of course we're hoping people don't do that and actually submit useful algs. There will always be useless algs, but is it too hard to simply ignore them if we don't like it? You'll never know when some crazy dude actually develops fingertricks for weird algs and actually get fast with it, or they play around with ridiculously long algs and actually find some interesting tricks. If everyone just use what is 'common' then there will be less innovation and variety.

And I agree with having another page to list most common algs, to help the noobs pick their algs. I think the wiki algs should just be filtered to have common/fast ones, and if people are actually looking for the database, they can go to that.

There's nothing wrong with having too many choices, ignoring the useless ones is not all that hard.

 

[Pyjam]

I can't find OLL 54 (of the wiki) in the OLL database, the symmetric of #53 (of the db).

I found an algo for it : y f (R U R' U') (R U R' U') f' F (R U R' U') F'
(quite boring sure, but easy to remember)

 

[danthecuber]

Yah I already addressed this there are three duplicate pictures, 21 and 40, 22 and 37, and 27 and 60. All of the cases are there you might have to look in 37, 40, and 60 though, because I'm pretty sure those are the cases with the incorrect pictures. I asked Cride5 about this, but since there are complex algorithms that run the algorithm database, there is no easy fix.

If you have an alg and want to find its case, then enter it into the single alg upload page, and the picture will represent the corresponding case, whether the upload was successful or not.

BTW I uploaded that case you posted and it successfully uploaded to case 40, so that's your answer.

 

[Chickenman]

I think we should make a survey to fill out that shows one oll and then lists the algs and people choose which alg they use and use those results to modify the wiki and if we can get them listed in order of most used to least used. I will make the survey if people will fill it out

 

[Pyjam]

If you have an alg and want to find its case, then enter it into the single alg upload page, and the picture will represent the corresponding case, whether the upload was successful or not.

BTW I uploaded that case you posted and it successfully uploaded to case 40, so that's your answer.

Thank you.