Should stickerless cubes be allowed in WCA competition?

[Erzz]

Well, the stickers would be in a solved state, the cubies would be random.
The point is saving 15$ by not having to buy a new one

 

[Andrew Ricci]

What's the point of that cube, then?

If it can't be used in comp, then there is no point.

 

[hawkmp4]

What if you scrambled the cube, then put stickers on it? (So the stickers are on random colours)

The stickers would still be on the same pieces all the time. So, again, in theory, you could gain more information by looking at the colour of the pieces. Illegal...

What's the point of that cube, then?

But Stefan has a good point. That's just ridiculous. Just buy a normal Guhong.

 

[iSpinz]

What if you scrambled the cube, then put stickers on it? (So the stickers are on random colours)

The stickers would still be on the same pieces all the time. So, again, in theory, you could gain more information by looking at the colour of the pieces. Illegal...

"The colors of puzzles must be solid, the same per colour, and clearly distinct from other colours."

 

[FatBoyXPC]

hawkmp4: I understand that, hence why I mentioned the U/U' 45deg turn.

 

[MichaelX]

Is it just me or it's really ugly?

 

[JonnyWhoopes]

To my understanding, the Colored GuHong is illegal because of the advantage of being able to see colors on the backside due to the nature of the way the pieces are molded.

However, would this cube be WCA illegal in a 3BLD round? Since you are not allowed to turn the cube until you've put the blindfold on, and while blindfolded you would not be able to see the backside colors anyway, there would be no advantage

 

[AustinReed]

To my understanding, the Colored GuHong is illegal because of the advantage of being able to see colors on the backside due to the nature of the way the pieces are molded.

However, would this cube be WCA illegal in a 3BLD round? Since you are not allowed to turn the cube until you've put the blindfold on, and while blindfolded you would not be able to see the backside colors anyway, there would be no advantage

Probably not, considering you can see the colors on the backside while memorizing. Just adds an advantage.

 

[Inf3rn0]

Probably not, considering you can see the colors on the backside while memorizing. Just adds an advantage.

Can't you see the backside colors while memorizing any cube? I personally don't see how using this cube would aid in 3BLD at all.

 

[Lucas Garron]

Can't you see the backside colors while memorizing any cube? I personally don't see how using this cube would aid in 3BLD at all.

Have you ever tried to use one? Could people stop using the "I can't imagine myself cheating this way" argument?

 

[Inf3rn0]

Have you ever tried to use one? Could people stop using the "I can't imagine myself cheating this way" argument?

No I haven't tried one. Cheating what way? I'm not saying whether this cube should be allowed for 3BLD or not, I really don't care. I just disagreed with the advantage AustinReed was talking about and still disagree with it.

 

[TimMc]

herp derp

Is it just me or it's really ugly?

Thanks for bumping this 4-month-old herp derp of a thread. But, sorry, I wont answer your fragment of a question.

The puzzle violates the following regulations:

3d) Puzzles must either have coloured stickers, coloured tiles, textures or painted colours.
3h) No modifications are allowed that enhance the basic concept of a puzzle. Some examples of enhancing the basic concept are: new moves are possible, normal moves are impossible, more pieces are visible, colours on the backside of the puzzle are visible, moves are done automatically, more or other solved states.

It violates 3d because it doesn't have any stickers, tiles, textures, or painted colours.

And it violates 3h because:

1. A 45 degree turn on any face exposes both face colours of an edge cubie which would otherwise not be possible with a regular cube; and
2. A poorly assembled cube, with slight defects resulting in an overlap of the corner or edge pieces, will allow the competitor to see the backside colours.

Transparent puzzles will continue to sell like this sticker-less DaYan GuHong simply because people like the way they look, in spite of the regulations. Taking 6 cubes of different colours and combining them to form six new sticker-less cubes is an affordable way to produce a new product as it only involves a slight alteration to the assembly process. And buyers are hooked in with the appeal of not having to maintain the upkeep of their stickers, rightly so.

3d could probably be revised to allow for similar puzzles with a more advanced staining process that utilises borders (similar to painted colours) so that it doesn't expose the backside colour in any way.

Tim.

 

[~Adam~]

Lol. 12 pages. No. Close?

 

[professoralpha7]

stickerless cubes?

I was reading the regulations and regulation 3d caught my eye:
3d) Puzzles must either have coloured stickers, coloured tiles, textures or painted colours.


Does this mean colored guhong and the like aren't competition legal?

 

[Engberg91]

yes

 

[fugiyoshi]

Oh wow that stinks. I've been practicing a lot with my stickerless guhong. I guess I'll put that to the side for now... I wonder why.

 

[cuberkid10]

Turning a layer 45 degrees shows 2 colors on the edes exposed

 

[Schmidt]

Turning a layer 45 degrees shows 2 colors on the edes exposed

My avg. is 35 seconds and even at that slow "speed" I can't use the info that a 45 degree angel gives me. So I guess that some one at warp-6 would be seeing one big purple? blur!

 

[NaeosPsy]

My avg. is 35 seconds and even at that slow "speed" I can't use the info that a 45 degree angel gives me. So I guess that some one at warp-6 would be seeing one big purple? blur!

Still can't risk it. xP

 

[Cool Frog]

My avg. is 35 seconds and even at that slow "speed" I can't use the info that a 45 degree angel gives me. So I guess that some one at warp-6 would be seeing one big purple? blur!

I can guess most of the time the BR pieces (During solving with no rotating of the cube)and it seems to give me an unfair advantage.