Standard Lettering Scheme for Reference

I agree that this project should continue while it still has momentum. In that case voting will definitely end Tuesday 11/23 at 2:00am EST because that's usually the time I get home from work and can log onto my computer ;)
 
peedu said:
riffz said:
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This one feels like it's starts on the left, not at UBL. Then again, obliques will be pesky either way.
 
How about instead of democracy rule, we appoint 3 capable and respected representatives?

I would like to see this issue ultimately decided by:
1) Stefan P. (for obvious reasons, and because he is a very sharp - no BS problem solver),
2) Chris H.(again obvious, and because he is a very considerate diplomat/teacher/explaner),
3) Michael G. (because he is a master at convincing others that he is always right, qqwref would end up forcing the others to provide very sound arguments in support of any choice that he didn't agree with.)

After carefully debating the pros and cons, they would each recommend their preferred lettering scheme, and also provide an explanation as to why they think it is the best. If 2 out of those 3 can agree on something, then they can declare a winner, and I think we could all be satisfied with the outcome.:)
 
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VERY VERY SORRY for the reposts. You guys are messing with me. 1st I was blocked from posting, and now all these duplicates. I tried to delete them, but it doesn't work. Mod will have to take them out. Sorry.

EDIT: OK, I got them all. That wasn't very nice. Please don't do that again.
 
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UFLBRD won the poll with 9 votes.

UFLBRD: Ville, cmhardw, Riffz, Kynit, aronpm, LucasGarron, MatsBergsten, Kirjava, Stachu
URFLBD: reThinking, Escher, JohnnyWhoopes, Mr giggums, Lumej, Peedu
UFRBLD: Sakarie

I will be going out of town tomorrow until Sunday night. If someone wants to start the Wiki page before then please feel free. If it has not been started by the time I return then I will start it. I was surprised at how divided this is. If people want to continue to debate this then I will, of course, be willing to listen and to contribute. To be honest I am mostly in favor of just defining the scheme while there is still momentum for this project and while people are still open to accept such a standardized scheme. I'll be back Sunday night EST to join into the debate again.

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reThinking, you repeat posts are not something caused by a mod or administrator. We, the mods and administrators, are aware of this issue and are trying to look into it.
 
reThinking,

The more I think about it, the more I think URFLBD is actually an inconsistency in the always clockwise rule. If we are imagining that everything starts on U, and that when choosing the face order we traverse clockwise from UBL to UBR, then going then to the R face is moving counter-clockwise around the UBR corner. Should we not go clockwise around this corner as well? This would suggest the face order UBRFLD. Would you agree?

For the record, I agree with what many have said that there is always some arbitrary nature to any specific face order. I still prefer UFLBRD personally, but had the above thought about the URFLBD order when thinking about this thread.

So we're agreed on UFLBRD then?
 
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cmhardw said:
reThinking,

The more I think about it, the more I think URFLBD is actually an inconsistency in the always clockwise rule. If we are imagining that everything starts on U, and that when choosing the face order we traverse clockwise from UBL to UBR, then going then to the R face is moving counter-clockwise around the UBR corner. Should we not go clockwise around this corner as well? This would suggest the face order UBRFLD. Would you agree?
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Very funny,(wrong corner), and there is no inconsistency since (URF)LBD begins with the 1st 3 stickers of a very nice CLOCKWISE rotation around the (URF) corner. This was previously pointed out by riffz as well.

cmhardw said:
So we're agreed on UFLBRD then?
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Can we get Stefan, and maybe a few more to weigh in on this 1st? This lettering scheme will be useful to non-blinders as well, even though very few of them are aware of it right now, and so they haven't contributed at all, to this very important decision.
 
Chris asked me to comment on this, especially about UFLBRD vs URFLBD. And I don't get either, they both look the wrong direction to me. How do you visualize them? If I look at F and then at L, I'm moving to the left. Don't we read left-to-right? I'm confused. I'd find ULFRBD much more straight-forward:

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At this point, I'm not particularly set on any face order. I just want this to be decided upon so that we can start using it. I agree with Stefan's proposal as being a very clear, and easy, way to display this scheme on a Wiki page. It's easy to remember, the text rule describing it can either say "faces go left to right across the font and continue in a spiral" or "Proceed clockwise as seen from the bottom" as Mike suggested previously.

I'll start the discussion by casting a vote for Stefan's face order for the ease of displaying it on a Wiki page, a key part of this lettering scheme in the first place.
 
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Alternatives if you want to take the reading order further:
Code: 
Left-to-right on each side (like a book page, instead of clockwise):
   AB
   CD
EF IJ MN QR
GH KL OP ST
   UV
   WX
I like this about as much as my original suggestion.

Left-to-right along the whole layout:
   AB
   CD
EF GH IJ KL
MN OP QR ST
   UV
   WX
Don't quite like this...

Btw, did I get the same-letter-areas right? I've always looked at it as four rectangular quadrants:
smsl52.png

(except I prefer reading clockwise, so that's mirrored from my normal view, but it matches the picture I've seen earlier in this thread)
 
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Mike Hughey said:
Sorry for my denseness, but I don't quite understand. Why is this not clockwise?
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For determining the areas, not for naming them. So mine looks like this:
2igzwb6.png

And I meant clockwise as in reading around the nearest corner. So for example I have an FUR corner sticker, not FRU. And next to it I have the FUr wing, not UFr.
 
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I don't care about the face order. I really don't like the "left to right along the whole layout" scheme, though. I find it easier to use the scheme if I can remember the first letter of each face and have the next 3 on the same face. It makes it easier to recall, as I don't use the scheme when solving.

As for reading left to right on each face, I would prefer to stick to a clockwise rule as left-to-right would feel strange for + centers and obliques IMO.

I don't visualize it as moving clockwise around the corners, I just picture it as starting at the backmost, leftmost piece and moving in a clockwise direction around the face.
 
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(except I prefer reading clockwise, so that's mirrored from my normal view, but it matches the picture I've seen earlier in this thread)
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Oh wait, I just saw you did have both versions (first and second). I definitely prefer the one I'm used to :) (the first one)

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I don't visualize it as moving clockwise around the corners, I just picture it as starting at the backmost, leftmost piece and moving in a clockwise direction around the face.
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I meant how you visualize the whole thing, like the first image I posted (with A-X).
 
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