Story time with Uncle Tyson: WCA's scrambling orientation

[rjohnson_8ball]

White is too a color. Your confusing white with black. Black is the absence of all color. White contains all colors. If white contains all colors it should be considered a color more than any other Color there is.

For paint and crayons: red+yellow+blue = black. For pixels and lighting: red+green+blue = white.

(edit)My point here is that black and white are both colors (in the proper context). In the case of colored stickers on a cube, I would certainly treat black/white stickers as colored stickers just as much as any other colored stickers.(/edit)

Bruce Norskog pointed out to me that the Back face is Blue and the Right face is Red with the WCA orientation (and BOY scheme). Of the 6 standard colors, only Blue and Red have first letters matching a face notation.

 

[bluedasher]

For paint and crayons: red+yellow+blue = black. For pixels and lighting: red+green+blue = white.

http://www.colormatters.com/vis_bk_white.html#Anchor-The-35882

 

[emg]

Does anyone remember when we were given extra solves for a POP?

Yes, and it was awesome. I also remember Macky popping, catching the piece after one bounce, putting it back in, and still being sub20 (back before sub15 became the new sub20)

 

[Sa967St]

Yes, and it was awesome. I also remember Macky popping, catching the piece after one bounce, putting it back in, and still being sub20 (back before sub15 became the new sub20)

 

[cmhardw]

Yes, I remember this and I found this so ridiculous that I always said "orange", when I actually start on white.

I also over time started saying random colors. Eventually I would even just say "surprise me" or something similar most times.

 

[qqwref]

Color is just one of the aspects of the appearance of an object. Black and white are clearly both colors. (If they weren't, what else would they be?)

 

[Igora]

"Black is the color of objects that do not emit or reflect light in any part of the visible spectrum"

color in the context of it could be used simply as a convenient word for describing what black pertains to, while still keeping the scientific definition of color, being the reflected light in the visible spectrum. Being used in the same way that baldness can be considered a hair style, but still be the lack of hair. But given that definition, pure black is not apart of the visible spectrum and therefore not a color, but the lack of reflected light, or the lack of color.

 

[Stefan]

To clarify: I didn't quote that about black because that is my opinion, but just to show that others have other opinions about it (and quite frankly, wikipedia ranks higher on my authority list than bluedasher). My opinion about black and white is that there are different valid opinions/definitions, and people seriously insisting that they are or aren't colors and that others with differing opinions are wrong, are themselves wrong.

 

[qqwref]

My opinion about black and white is that there are different valid opinions/definitions, and people seriously insisting that they are or aren't colors and that others with differing opinions are wrong, are themselves wrong.

I don't really consider it a matter of opinion, because "color" is a clear term we're all intuitively familiar with. As long as most people would say "black" is an acceptable answer to the question "What color is this?", how can you say black isn't a color? The same applies to white.

 

[Dene]

Macky vid

Lolololol people cheering for sub20 solve .
How I wish we were still in those days.

 

[Stefan]

I don't really consider it a matter of opinion, because "color" is a clear term we're all intuitively familiar with.

We're also all familiar with "peanuts", "brazil nuts" and "coconuts", right? Doesn't mean botanists are wrong for having definitions where those aren't nuts.

If you're working with or studying colors and it makes more sense to have a definition where black or white aren't colors, where's the problem with that? I do find both "color theories" on the page bluedasher showed ok, they have legitimate uses.

 

[Stefan]

Wait... after reading your post again, I'm confused. Were you disagreeing or agreeing with me? Let me put it this way:

As long as most people would say "black" is an acceptable answer to the question "What color is this?", how can you say black isn't a color?

I agree. Nobody should flat out say "black isn't a color". But I do find it ok to say "using definition X, black isn't a color". Same with white, and same with saying they *are* colors. It simply depends on the context, the application, and what makes most sense there.

 

[KYLOL]

Samuel L. Jackson is colorless. NUUUUUUUUUUU.
Also, cool story Tyson.

 

[bluedasher]

I don't really consider it a matter of opinion, because "color" is a clear term we're all intuitively familiar with. As long as most people would say "black" is an acceptable answer to the question "What color is this?", how can you say black isn't a color? The same applies to white.

Sure, people refer to black and white as colors, but scientifically speaking black is the absence of colors and white is all colors in the spectrum. Light causes objects to reflect colors that we can see based on the effect of a specific wavelength. Technically if you completely separate an object from all light it is black because it isn't reflecting anything. Thus black is more of a state of separation from light than a color. The same thing can be said so about white. If an object is white that is because of the wavelength of the spectrum that it occupies. White could be classified as a color, but it is more of a state of containing all colors in the spectrum.

I don't mean to get off topic so I won't continue this discussion.

EDIT: I agree with your third post Stefan.

 

[DavidWoner]

Cool story, interesting to know An added advantage of green front is that the L and R sides stay the same too on both schemes.

All but two sides stay the same regardless of orientation. Why is L/R significant?

 

[prostx23]

Black and white are clearly both colors. (If they weren't, what else would they be?)

That is really the all encompassing question of life right?

 

[waffle=ijm]

I still remember the time when they covered the cube after inspection :3

 

[cuBerBruce]

Bruce Norskog pointed out to me that the Back face is Blue and the Right face is Red with the WCA orientation (and BOY scheme). Of the 6 standard colors, only Blue and Red have first letters matching a face notation.

Yes, the WCA convention is also my preferred orientation.

This is helpful in fewest moves solving where it is generally good practice to write down moves based upon the center color of the face being turned, rather than based upon how you have the cube oriented. When I turn the blue face clockwise, I write "B" regardless of how I have the cube oriented. If "blue" and the "back" were different faces, recording moves might be a little more error prone.

I also note that logos are normally on the white face and the WCA scheme has white up, where the logo is arguably most visible.

 

[CharlieCooper]

I still remember the time when they covered the cube after inspection :3

Seems so weird that we used to do that. How annoying?! I much prefer the system now.

 

[dillonbladez]

History sucks, but adding cubing to it changes everything