Events to remove

Mike Hughey said:
As far as popularity is concerned, there is another aspect of popularity that at least might be considered: popularity among spectators. I know that often, big cubes BLD is quite interesting to spectators, even though not many compete in it.

Of course, one could argue that's not the kind of attention we want for cubing, but it was certainly popular, from a spectator perspective.
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I agree with this. At Australian Nationals, during the 4BLD and 5BLD events lots of people were watching us, and during Multi there were even more people (this was at about noon in the middle of a mall :P).
 
Slash said:
So that you don't practice it, so that you won't be good at it, so that you won't compete in it, so that it becomes an unpopular event.
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I hardly think 4BLD and 5BLD are unpopular because people like Kirjava aren't interested. In my view it's unpopular because it is very difficult (not to learn, but to do - requires a lot of concentration, lots of patience, awesome accuracy to get even one success, not to mention mastery of a memo method if you want to be good at it) and takes a lot of time to do even one solve (more than any other event - you can do a multi attempt in 2-3 minutes and a 7x7 in 4).

Look at yourself, even. You have 2 successes in 12 tries for 4BLD and 0 in 8 for 5. And you can hardly argue that you're inexperienced at BLD events. 4BLD and 5BLD are the only two events which regularly end up with no winners. On the other hand, 3BLD is easy enough and multi only requires half the cubes for a non-DNF. I don't think big cube blind events will ever be anywhere near as popular as the others, just because of the time and effort involved.
 
I just realized "Kirjava" is finnish for multicolored.

lol, some people's usernames are so creative.
 
qqwref said:
I hardly think 4BLD and 5BLD are unpopular because people like Kirjava aren't interested. In my view it's unpopular because it is very difficult (not to learn, but to do - requires a lot of concentration, lots of patience, awesome accuracy to get even one success, not to mention mastery of a memo method if you want to be good at it) and takes a lot of time to do even one solve (more than any other event - you can do a multi attempt in 2-3 minutes and a 7x7 in 4).

Look at yourself, even. You have 2 successes in 12 tries for 4BLD and 0 in 8 for 5. And you can hardly argue that you're inexperienced at BLD events. 4BLD and 5BLD are the only two events which regularly end up with no winners. On the other hand, 3BLD is easy enough and multi only requires half the cubes for a non-DNF. I don't think big cube blind events will ever be anywhere near as popular as the others, just because of the time and effort involved.
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Aronpm will hate me for this, but I kind of agree with you. Big cubes blind are probably the least nescessary events, and feet is also.

Also, not everyone can do 7x7 in 4 minutes. I don't actually compete in it yet, but unofficialy I take 23. :(
 
qqwref said:
I tend to wash mine about once a day; this is probably normal. And yet in the remaining time I often walk around with shoes on, and they get less clean. I imagine that in the middle of a competition I would have been on my feet for a few hours already. Maybe the event would be more sanitary if it was mandatory for people to wash their feet right before competing (although of course the organizers would have to supply this).


Sure you believe this? I will lick one of my hands if you will lick between my buttocks. I will also lick one of my hands if you lick my feet. Number of bacteria means nothing because bacteria are not all equally bad; in fact plenty of them are helpful, such as the bacteria found in huge quantities in yogurt.
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i laughed so hard i cried.

seriously..

i cried.
 
I disagree, I think big cube blind are necessary because a bunch of people are interested in BLD and just 3x3 is not satisfactory. Some big cube BLD has to be kept in my opinion.
 
dimwmuni said:
I disagree, I think big cube blind are necessary because a bunch of people are interested in BLD and just 3x3 is not satisfactory. Some big cube BLD has to be kept in my opinion.
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Well, it is true that if all that was left of BLD was 3x3x3 BLD, my interest level would decrease (I'd probably keep coming to competitions, but probably not so many of them). And keeping multi wouldn't help much, because while I am reasonably good at it, I have to admit I still don't think it's that much fun. I really enjoy big cubes BLD - they're always fun! I kind of like doing a few cubes multi, but when it gets to a whole hour of them, it becomes more of a chore for me. A 7x7x7 BLD seems much more fun and less like work than doing 10 cubes multi, even though they take about the same amount of time. I don't know why, but that's the way it is for me.

StefanPochmann said:
Awesome, this is like watching little kids kick each other's sand castles.
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The problem for me is that I'm delusional and think all the sand castles are mine, so I'm just sitting here crying my eyes out. I wanted to keep them all, but just look at the beach - destruction everywhere!

:)
 
RCTACameron said:
Aronpm will hate me for this, but I kind of agree with you. Big cubes blind are probably the least nescessary events, and feet is also.

Also, not everyone can do 7x7 in 4 minutes. I don't actually compete in it yet, but unofficialy I take 23. :(
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He didn't say that they were unnessecary, just that they were hard and not very popular.
 
qqwref said:
In my view it's unpopular because it is very difficult (not to learn, but to do - requires a lot of concentration, lots of patience, awesome accuracy to get even one success, not to mention mastery of a memo method if you want to be good at it)
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3x3 BLD used to be the same. And it became a popular event. And 4x4 BLD solvers are more and more.

qqwref said:
you can do a multi attempt in 2-3 minutes
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Multi doesn't mean only 2 (or 3) cubes.

qqwref said:
Look at yourself, even. You have 2 successes in 12 tries for 4BLD and 0 in 8 for 5.
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That's just because I don't practice a lot (because the things I've said before) and go for speed all the time. I'm not saying that I could get 100% accuracy. But just look at Alejandro Orozco or István Kocza. They have very good accuracy (Alejandro's 100% but it's only 3 solves) and István had only 2 competitions where he didn't solve the 4x4, and 3 where he didn't solve the 5x5 (and those were back in 2008). I'm just saying that if you really want it you can do it.
 
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I've never said that it's now the same. What I try to say is this:
3x3 BLD had only 2 successful official solves until 2003, 9 until 2004, 32 until 2005 and 91 until 2006.
4x4 BLD had only 1 until 2004 and 2005, but in 2006 Chris Hardwick already had a 8 minutes solve which now could be e.g a Hungarian NR. in 2008 we had 25, until 2009 35, and now we have 66 (and they're getting more and more). By the end of the year I think that the number of it will be more than 75 which is three times as much as in 2008. For me it seems to be increasing, not as fast as the 3x3's does, but it does.
 
Slash said:
3x3 BLD used to be the same. And it became a popular event. And 4x4 BLD solvers are more and more.
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3x3 BLD cannot be as popular as 3x3 speed. 4x4 BLD cannot be as popular as 3x3 BLD. Obviously the event will grow as cubing does, but you are delusional if you think it could ever become one of the most popular events.

Slash said:
Multi doesn't mean only 2 (or 3) cubes.
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I know that, but it can. You can compete in the event without taking much time (even if you may not get the best result) and you can practice your technique, turn speed, and memorization method with only a few cubes (i.e. quickly). Even for the very best people, 5BLD takes a good chunk of time. Comparing world-class competitors, or good competitors, it requires more time to do a practice or official 5BLD solve than in any other event.

Slash said:
That's just because I don't practice a lot (because the things I've said before) and go for speed all the time. I'm not saying that I could get 100% accuracy. But just look at Alejandro Orozco or István Kocza. They have very good accuracy (Alejandro's 100% but it's only 3 solves) and István had only 2 competitions where he didn't solve the 4x4, and 3 where he didn't solve the 5x5 (and those were back in 2008). I'm just saying that if you really want it you can do it.
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That's not evidence that if you really want to you can do it, that's evidence that if you are very good you can do it. I don't think everyone can be that good; it's especially unlikely for anyone who isn't highly motivated to practice the event. I think 90%+ of cubers fall in this category and I see no reason why that number would substantially change in the future.
 
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