Gollum999
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... I really don't know what to say after watching that. 
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Genesis 1:28b said:Reign over the fish in the sea, the birds in the sky, and all the animals that scurry along the ground.
Not that that makes what she did OK. What she did is sick.
Why did you quote something that has absolutely no relevance to the topic?
It was aimed at the vegetarian thing, although I should've made that more clear. People seem to be concerned with animals at nearly the same level as human life, when they're not equal (biblically).
Don't change this to a religion thing. We have no idea what religion this person is nor is it relevant.
So, killing animals for food, and killing animals for no reason, when there are perfectly humane ways to get rid of them (the pound) are the same morally?
:fp
EDIT: also, whoever said that they oppose the death penalty but would make an exception for this girl is a complete idiot. A person's life is less valuable then a dog's life? Screw your head on straight.
Please let this be fake.
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I am seriously against death penalty, but I'd definitely consider making an exception for this girl.
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I am seriously against death penalty, but I'd definitely consider making an exception for this girl.
Another good option would be a potent anesthetic / sedative. However, I do not know if the animal would be fit for consumption after that.
I saw a picture once where a man who works at the pound was saying how horrible it was to have to gas the animals and would buy them all good food right before they had to die as a last meal.
How is killing a vegetable better than killing an animal?
Sure it looks much more horrific when an animal gets slaughtered rather than some crops being collected but, what's the actual difference?
The same difference that there is between killing a human and a vegetable. Humans and animals have intelligence, sentience, and the will to live.
Vegetables don't display things like consciousness, self-awareness (as in 'I amongst others'), or recognisable pain responses. There are plenty of scientific studies on the most popularly eaten animals in the western world (pigs, cows, sheep) that show the above.
The core of the argument isn't 'killing animals is wrong'. It's 'causing unnecessary pain or death to conscious beings is wrong'.
Read the section on meat in Douglas Hofstadter's 'I Am A Strange Loop' for a very clear explanation...
First, define "consciousness". Second, prove that animals show "self-awareness" (you might care to define the term more clearly than you have done as well). I know there are the "elephants recognise themselves in the mirror" claims, but I have seen counter-arguments to the "self-recognition" theory that I have been convinced by. Thirdly, what is sap, but a recognisable pain response?
Jolly good! I come in and there's lots of juicy material to bite into. However I will only defend nitrocan for now as I have little time.
How is killing a vegetable better than killing an animal?
Sure it looks much more horrific when an animal gets slaughtered rather than some crops being collected but, what's the actual difference?
The same difference that there is between killing a human and a vegetable. Humans and animals have intelligence, sentience, and the will to live.
I would first like proof that animals have more "intelligence" than plants. I would second like proof that animals are "sentient", and plants are not. Thirdly, I would like proof that animals have "the will to live", and plants do not.
Jolly good! I come in and there's lots of juicy material to bite into. However I will only defend nitrocan for now as I have little time.
How is killing a vegetable better than killing an animal?
Sure it looks much more horrific when an animal gets slaughtered rather than some crops being collected but, what's the actual difference?
The same difference that there is between killing a human and a vegetable. Humans and animals have intelligence, sentience, and the will to live.
I would first like proof that animals have more "intelligence" than plants. I would second like proof that animals are "sentient", and plants are not. Thirdly, I would like proof that animals have "the will to live", and plants do not.
I think a better justification is to say animals can feel pain because they have nerves, but plants have no nerves!
Plants still respond to outside stimuli and yes, to stress. It's not as if they are completely unaware of what happens to them.
So, killing animals for food, and killing animals for no reason, when there are perfectly humane ways to get rid of them (the pound) are the same morally?
:fp
The pound is not a humane way to kill animals. Gassing animals is not humane. I saw a picture once where a man who works at the pound was saying how horrible it was to have to gas the animals and would buy them all good food right before they had to die as a last meal. I can't find the picture now... The only humane way of killing an animal is a bullet. Done properly, it will be instantaneous.