Girl throw puppies in a river and film herself

[Anonymous]

How is killing a vegetable better than killing an animal?

Sure it looks much more horrific when an animal gets slaughtered rather than some crops being collected but, what's the actual difference?

The same difference that there is between killing a human and a vegetable. Humans and animals have intelligence, sentience, and the will to live.

 

[Escher]

How is killing a vegetable better than killing an animal?

Sure it looks much more horrific when an animal gets slaughtered rather than some crops being collected but, what's the actual difference?

Vegetables don't display things like consciousness, self-awareness (as in 'I amongst others'), or recognisable pain responses. There are plenty of scientific studies on the most popularly eaten animals in the western world (pigs, cows, sheep) that show the above.

The core of the argument isn't 'killing animals is wrong'. It's 'causing unnecessary pain or death to conscious beings is wrong'.

Read the section on meat in Douglas Hofstadter's 'I Am A Strange Loop' for a very clear explanation...

 

[Samania]

This is really sad, But its not like I haven't seen this before. On the news a couple years ago an iraq soldier threw a puppy off a cliff. And a few months ago I saw a video where some kid threw another puppy off a bridge. Lets just hope all these puppy throwing videos are fake.

 

[Carrot]

I'm a vegetarian, but I definitely don't see this girl and the meat industry on the same level. They're both bad IMO, but... this girl is much worse.

weee let's start the "Vegetarian Cubing Association" YEAH!! =D


Back to thread:

....*dies*

 

[Forte]

I'm a vegetarian, but I definitely don't see this girl and the meat industry on the same level. They're both bad IMO, but... this girl is much worse.

weee let's start the "Vegetarian Cubing Association" YEAH!! =D


Back to thread:

....*dies*

I DEMAND AN EXTRA PLATE OF CARROTS

 

[Carrot]

I'm a vegetarian, but I definitely don't see this girl and the meat industry on the same level. They're both bad IMO, but... this girl is much worse.

weee let's start the "Vegetarian Cubing Association" YEAH!! =D


Back to thread:

....*dies*

I DEMAND AN EXTRA PLATE OF CARROTS

I DEMAND AN EXTRA PLATE OF PEANUTBUTTER

 

[nitrocan]

How is killing a vegetable better than killing an animal?

Sure it looks much more horrific when an animal gets slaughtered rather than some crops being collected but, what's the actual difference?

Vegetables don't display things like consciousness, self-awareness (as in 'I amongst others'), or recognisable pain responses. There are plenty of scientific studies on the most popularly eaten animals in the western world (pigs, cows, sheep) that show the above.

The core of the argument isn't 'killing animals is wrong'. It's 'causing unnecessary pain or death to conscious beings is wrong'.

Read the section on meat in Douglas Hofstadter's 'I Am A Strange Loop' for a very clear explanation...

Maybe I am too materialistic about this but from my point of view, in the end, the big fish is going to eat the small fish. You can make the entire human population herbivores, but you still won't make the other animal species anything different than they are. If we don't eat them, someone else will.

Besides

A number of critics contest the notion that organic agricultural systems are more friendly to the environment and more sustainable than high-yielding farming systems. Among these critics are Norman Borlaug, father of the "green revolution", Nobel Peace Prize laureate, who asserts that organic farming practices can at most feed 4 billion people, after expanding cropland dramatically and destroying ecosystems in the process,[77] and Prof A. Trewavas.[78]

 

[Stefan]

Biatch watched too much Free Willy.

 

[Escher]

Maybe I am too materialistic about this but from my point of view, in the end, the big fish is going to eat the small fish. You can make the entire human population herbivores, but you still won't make the other animal species anything different than they are. If we don't eat them, someone else will.

I think you have completely misunderstood me, and I don't really think your point makes that much sense.

Firstly, my argument has nothing to do with making 'the entire human population' herbivores. Secondly, 'if we don't eat them, someone else will' - the whole point is that if we don't eat them/eat less/switch to more humane ways of farming and killing then we will create less animals and ecologically inefficient means of production. Thirdly, if you're attempting to take your argument from nature, as in, 'big fish eats the small fish', you would also have to accept cannibalism as an acceptable meat to eat.
Remember the argument is based on 'unnecessary' eating of meat. I accept that for many poor local eco-systems the best way of getting nutrition is by small-scale farming of animals.

Besides

A number of critics contest the notion that organic agricultural systems are more friendly to the environment and more sustainable than high-yielding farming systems. Among these critics are Norman Borlaug, father of the "green revolution", Nobel Peace Prize laureate, who asserts that organic farming practices can at most feed 4 billion people, after expanding cropland dramatically and destroying ecosystems in the process,[77] and Prof A. Trewavas.[78]

Asserting that organic farming practices can't manage to feed more than 4 billion people and cause ecological damage doesn't detract from the fact that current farming practices can't manage to feed them either, and still cause massive and growing ecological damage. Though thank you for pointing me to those links, they make interesting reading. I'm resisting the urge to pun.

What I'm trying to say is that the current system of massive and unnecessary meat consumption (in fact, generally western food consumption) causes great damage; not least the human impact in famine, but also the ecological impact from the inherently inefficient method of farming food for feeding the meat we eat, and also the moral impact - so many consume so much without considering or appreciating where it comes from.

Being vegetarian avoids moral inconsistencies ('I care about animal welfare but I love McDonalds'), reduces individual ecological impact in regards to participating in food systems that are one of the greatest contributors to climate change, plus in regards to efficiency (kgs of water used per kg of food consumed is one good measure), and in participation in an economic chain that causes famine and destruction of local habitats and economies.
Plus it's easier to avoid unhealthy foods, both in just that the majority of meat is bad for you in the way it's eaten and served in the west, and in that it makes you more diet conscious anyway.

I would like to say that the argument also leads nicely to political, social and economic ones but this really isn't the place (nor the thread).

Besides, I really don't feel like defending my position here any more, it's complicated enough to try and persuade people in person, adding the barrier of the internet makes expressing myself hard work...

 

[drewsopchak]

if i find her....all choke her by jabbing my crazy foot down her throught,

 

[Igora]

Ok, what is a humane way of killing an animal which you intend to eat?

well for one, simply putting the animal to sleep, then shooting its head off, but I never said that the animal I intend to eat has to be put to death in a humane way. What I am saying is in hunting to kill vs. hunting for food, hunting for food is more moral in my mind.

 

[jiggy]

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I didn't want to watch the entire thing. It always shocks me, the ease with which a person could do something like this.

My dog almost met a similar end...

 

[theace]

Ok, what is a humane way of killing an animal which you intend to eat?

well for one, simply putting the animal to sleep, then shooting its head off, but I never said that the animal I intend to eat has to be put to death in a humane way. What I am saying is in hunting to kill vs. hunting for food, hunting for food is more moral in my mind.

It most definitely is, considering the fact that we are, after all, omnivores. Predators kill prey for food in the wild as well - and it may not be the most humane way to do it. What counts is, they do it for food, not some form of sadistic, twisted form of pleasure.

As for a HUMANE way to kill the animal, I guess decapitation would be pretty much painless. However, the problem with this method is that quite a lot of blood would be left in the animal's body and would have to be manually squeezed out of the muscles. If you do not, you risk taking in many of the wastes that the animal's impure blood has.

Another good option would be a potent anesthetic / sedative. However, I do not know if the animal would be fit for consumption after that.

 

[Igora]

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My dog almost met a similar end...

You almost threw your dog in a river!
just kidding

On topic: I think we can all agree this person shouldn't have done what they did.

 

[Slash]

Every time I see that kind of things, I wish that a the same thing happened to the people they do it.
I'd be very interested if this jack@ss would like to be thrown into a river by me when she can't swim. I wouldn't hurt/injure a girl, but this one is an exception.

 

[Chapuunka]

Reign over the fish in the sea, the birds in the sky, and all the animals that scurry along the ground.

Not that that makes what she did OK. What she did is sick.

EDIT: That was aimed at the vegetarian and such arguments. People and animals aren't created equal, I feel that should be pointed out.

 

[jiggy]

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My dog almost met a similar end...

You almost threw your dog in a river!
just kidding

Heh, I saw this one coming!

 

[shelley]

Reign over the fish in the sea, the birds in the sky, and all the animals that scurry along the ground.

Not that that makes what she did OK. What she did is sick.

Why did you quote something that has absolutely no relevance to the topic?

 

[Chapuunka]

Reign over the fish in the sea, the birds in the sky, and all the animals that scurry along the ground.

Not that that makes what she did OK. What she did is sick.

Why did you quote something that has absolutely no relevance to the topic?

It was aimed at the vegetarian thing, although I should've made that more clear. People seem to be concerned with animals at nearly the same level as human life, when they're not equal (biblically).

 

[PatrickJameson]

Reign over the fish in the sea, the birds in the sky, and all the animals that scurry along the ground.

Not that that makes what she did OK. What she did is sick.

Why did you quote something that has absolutely no relevance to the topic?

It was aimed at the vegetarian thing, although I should've made that more clear. People seem to be concerned with animals at nearly the same level as human life, when they're not equal (biblically).

Don't change this to a religion thing. We have no idea what religion this person is nor is it relevant.