is it possible a Official Competition for Braille people?

[AbelBrata]

@AbelBrata: Beautiful photos; thank you so much for sharing these =)

Thanks for your appreaciation to these people
The population of blind cuber is now growing in Indonesia as my book has been translated into braille to teach them cubing.

 

[Ton]

@AbelBrata: Beautiful photos; thank you so much for sharing these =)

Thanks for your appreaciation to these people
The population of blind cuber is now growing in Indonesia as my book has been translated into braille to teach them cubing.

I will push and think about new WCA regulation to embrace these cubers in an official speedcube event. The WCA board is open for discussion, I will give them my advice but I will need some information from you. I will send you a personal mail for my part as input for the WCA board.

 

[AbelBrata]

@AbelBrata: Beautiful photos; thank you so much for sharing these =)

Thanks for your appreaciation to these people
The population of blind cuber is now growing in Indonesia as my book has been translated into braille to teach them cubing.

I will push and think about new WCA regulation to embrace these cubers in an official speedcube event. The WCA board is open for discussion, I will give them my advice but I will need some information from you. I will send you a personal mail for my part as input for the WCA board.

Wow great! My email is abelbrata[at]gmail[dot]com
Thanks Ton

 

[musicninja17]

Anyone ever made a textured cube? I find solving in complete darkness is an exhillarating challenge.

 

[Lars Petrus]

I think you should just organize it "unofficially" at the competition. I think the normal path for any new event is to first run it "unofficially" a few times to figure out how to best organize it, if it will be popular, etc.

As far as I understand the only thing being "unofficial" means is that the WCA won't record the results, and the winner will not be an "official" world record holder. You can still hand out prizes and so on.


I have long suspected that blind people will dominate BLD once they get into it.

 

[qqwref]

I have long suspected that blind people will dominate BLD once they get into it.

Do you think so? I disagree. Execution will be equally difficult, and in memorization you can only really touch one piece at a time - but this is not necessarily a disadvantage if you use a freestyle method and don't have to retrace your steps. So I think a blind person could be very fast at BLD (sub-40 I mean), but it doesn't seem like it would be any easier than for a sighted person to get those times. I don't think a blind person will ever be good (by community standards) at speedsolving, though.

 

[Lars Petrus]

Sure, memorization does have extra challenges for the non seeing.

My reasoning is that people who spend all their lives "in the dark" should be much more suited to solving based on a mental model than the rest of us.

Just speculation at this point, of course.

 

[Ton]

I think you should just organize it "unofficially" at the competition. I think the normal path for any new event is to first run it "unofficially" a few times to figure out how to best organize it, if it will be popular, etc.

As far as I understand the only thing being "unofficial" means is that the WCA won't record the results, and the winner will not be an "official" world record holder. You can still hand out prizes and so on.


I have long suspected that blind people will dominate BLD once they get into it.

Well I disagree, we should allow anyone to compete in a speedcubing event and have fun. I will set my goal to it to make a proposal for a new WCA regulation I do not want to create a new event .... Which need your approach ..

 

[Tim Major]

Haven't seen it posted buuut....

http://cube4you.com/cube4you-blind-...e-p-225.html?zenid=ed48oti2d4gjl7ob5i2t6jqsn4

I think different textures would go better though, rather than different braile letters. Or like, Xs for a face, Os for a face, dots for a face, /// for a face, that type of thing.

 

[Rinfiyks]

Anyone ever made a textured cube? I find solving in complete darkness is an exhillarating challenge.

I think a textured cube would be more fun to solve than a Braille cube.
I don't know of 6 distinguishable textures you could have though.
Metal, carpet, silk, rubber...?

 

[Lars Petrus]

I think you should just organize it "unofficially" at the competition. I think the normal path for any new event is to first run it "unofficially" a few times to figure out how to best organize it, if it will be popular, etc.

As far as I understand the only thing being "unofficial" means is that the WCA won't record the results, and the winner will not be an "official" world record holder. You can still hand out prizes and so on.


I have long suspected that blind people will dominate BLD once they get into it.

Well I disagree, we should allow anyone to compete in a speedcubing event and have fun. I will set my goal to it to make a proposal for a new WCA regulation I do not want to create a new event .... Which need your approach ..

Oh, you're saying you want blind people to be able to compete in the regular event? I didn't realize that was the goal here.

That makes sense, but I would still be interested in seeing (sorry...) this as a separate event.

 

[Billbowser]

I have meet the blind cuber at Jogjakarta,he can solve 3x3 and 2x2.I think,blind cubers are allowed to participate the official Competition if the time limit of the competition are at 15 minutes with the format best of 2.Because,if the format is average of 5,it can be a half day for the 3x3 competition
that's my opinionfor respecting the blind cuber.

 

[Ton]

I think you should just organize it "unofficially" at the competition. I think the normal path for any new event is to first run it "unofficially" a few times to figure out how to best organize it, if it will be popular, etc.

As far as I understand the only thing being "unofficial" means is that the WCA won't record the results, and the winner will not be an "official" world record holder. You can still hand out prizes and so on.


I have long suspected that blind people will dominate BLD once they get into it.

Well I disagree, we should allow anyone to compete in a speedcubing event and have fun. I will set my goal to it to make a proposal for a new WCA regulation I do not want to create a new event .... Which need your approach ..

Oh, you're saying you want blind people to be able to compete in the regular event? I didn't realize that was the goal here.

That makes sense, but I would still be interested in seeing (sorry...) this as a separate event.

Well do not feel sorry, I am in discussion with the WCA board to define regulations within the regular speed event and propose a new event.... so it may end up both ways...And in the same time regulate a WCA endorsed Symbol cube...

 

[Sakarie]

I have meet the blind cuber at Jogjakarta,he can solve 3x3 and 2x2.I think,blind cubers are allowed to participate the official Competition if the time limit of the competition are at 15 minutes with the format best of 2.Because,if the format is average of 5,it can be a half day for the 3x3 competition
that's my opinionfor respecting the blind cuber.

Unfortunately, your opinion isn't what the WCA-rules say, so you're not allowed to discriminate the blind, no matter how much you want to.

 

[Gavin]

I don't think you can exclude a particular group of people from competition (In this case people who are not blind) But I assume the blind cubers can compete with everyone else.

 

[Bryan]

I have meet the blind cuber at Jogjakarta,he can solve 3x3 and 2x2.I think,blind cubers are allowed to participate the official Competition if the time limit of the competition are at 15 minutes with the format best of 2.Because,if the format is average of 5,it can be a half day for the 3x3 competition
that's my opinionfor respecting the blind cuber.

Unfortunately, your opinion isn't what the WCA-rules say, so you're not allowed to discriminate the blind, no matter how much you want to.

He's not discriminating against the blind, he's just saying that you may want to make sure you have limits for the event. If a sighted person can solve in 15 minutes, they're going to get DNF's at 10 minutes, and if I knew I'd have a bunch of people that took 15 minutes to solve, I'd make sure I'd setup to be a combined round so that they would be able to compete a little bit, but not use up the whole competition.

 

[maggot]

how about letting them participate in BLD events? where the scramble cube is braille and they are allowed to inspect as part of the time, then they can move onto a cube with no braille and solve it just as a BLD solve? so, 2 cubes with same scramble and orientation, inspection on one cube and solve on another. is this possible?

 

[Cyrus C.]

how about letting them participate in BLD events? where the scramble cube is braille and they are allowed to inspect as part of the time, then they can move onto a cube with no braille and solve it just as a BLD solve? so, 2 cubes with same scramble and orientation, inspection on one cube and solve on another. is this possible?

It's in the WCA regulations.

 

[Joker]

I think an OFFICIAL comp for Braille only people (that are blind) would be good. Because if they go to normal comps with a disadvantage of not seeing te stickers/worse recognization of stickers, they would get worse times, and probably some might be a little ashamed of their times. I mean this in no offence, of course. But yeah, blind or not, they can go to any comp (following nationality rules).

 

[Sakarie]

I have meet the blind cuber at Jogjakarta,he can solve 3x3 and 2x2.I think,blind cubers are allowed to participate the official Competition if the time limit of the competition are at 15 minutes with the format best of 2.Because,if the format is average of 5,it can be a half day for the 3x3 competition
that's my opinionfor respecting the blind cuber.

Unfortunately, your opinion isn't what the WCA-rules say, so you're not allowed to discriminate the blind, no matter how much you want to.

He's not discriminating against the blind, he's just saying that you may want to make sure you have limits for the event. If a sighted person can solve in 15 minutes, they're going to get DNF's at 10 minutes, and if I knew I'd have a bunch of people that took 15 minutes to solve, I'd make sure I'd setup to be a combined round so that they would be able to compete a little bit, but not use up the whole competition.

He doesn't? 'Cause in my head it sounds that in his opinion, blind people shouldn't be allowed to attend a 3x3 round that does an average of 5. Wouldn't that be discriminating?

Of course you should be allowed to have a combined round, but that should be based on time, not whether you're seeing or not. (Which I'm pretty sure you actually think, but that's not how Billbowser said.)