Thoughts on "Christian Cuber" or "Atheist Cuber" signatures

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koreancuber said:
who said it was an apple?
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I thought I heard so, but I'm not sure, that's why it was a question. But most fruits are delicious and healthy. Was there something wrong with the actual one?

Besides... didn't God supposedly create Eve? I'm a computer programmer, and when one of the programs I created misbehaves, then of course I don't blame the program - I blame myself. But God doesn't take such responsibility? Seems like a prick to me.
 
StefanPochmann said:
Chapuunka said:
The whole idea is that EVERYONE (including Christians) deserves to go to hell because we've disobeyed God (sinned) and are now seperated from him.
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Oh... now that's so much better. So you're not only saying I deserve to go to hell, but also that I did something bad? Well thank you very much! How very friendly and totally not insulting! Here I was, thinking I'm a decent person, but you opened my eyes and showed me I'm scum. Thanks! More of that, please! And please, *keep* reminding us that you have this opinion... may I suggest a "Christian Cuber" signature?
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I never said you (or anyone else) was inherently a bad person. Just because you've done a few things wrong doesn't make you as a whole a terrible person--if you're willing to repent and ask for forgiveness. Once again, that's the whole point. We've all screwed up one time or another, so we need forgiveness, hence Jesus.

StefanPochmann said:
Besides... didn't God supposedly create Eve? I'm a computer programmer, and when one of the programs I created misbehaves, then of course I don't blame the program - I blame myself. But God doesn't take such responsibility? Seems like a prick to me.
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God gave us the choice to listen to Him or disobey Him, and she chose not to listen, just as the rest of us have before. Humans aren't programs, so we make our own decisions. Think of it more as a small child: You tell them not to do something, but by ultimately giving them the choice (as opposed to locking them in some room where that won't happen or something) you open up the possibility that they won't listen. If they don't, you get upset. If they do, you're more happy with them than if you had forced them into obeying.
 
I personally think that the idea that we can control our beliefs is worse than the idea of original sin, although they go hand in hand. If we're going to Hell unless we cleanse ourselves, and if we can only cleanse ourselves by believing in Jesus Christ, then one of three things is happening here:

God thinks that we have the ability to decide what we believe,
God knowingly judges us on criteria which we have no control over,
or the problem doesn't exist because God either doesn't exist or isn't as the Bible describes him (or her).

Maybe people won't disagree with the underlying assumption here, which is that, IMO, one can't control what one believes. You can't convince yourself that mathematical truths such as 2 + 2 = 4 are false, so why should be be expected to be able to choose whether or not we believe in Christ?
 
Of course you can't choose your beliefs. If you could, I'd be down for believing in some sort of god for the comfort about death it gives.

Sadly, I'm not deluded enough for that to happen.
 
Chapuunka said:
Just because you've done a few things wrong
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Like what?

Chapuunka said:
if you're willing to repent and ask for forgiveness.
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So not only am I punished for something I didn't do, now I'm also supposed to kiss God's ass for it?

Chapuunka said:
We've all screwed up one time or another, so we need forgiveness, hence Jesus.
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Sure I've screwed up and sure I've apologized to the people I've wronged. What does Jesus have to do with that?

Chapuunka said:
Humans aren't programs, so we make our own decisions.
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Maybe.

Chapuunka said:
Think of it more as a small child: You tell them not to do something, but by ultimately giving them the choice (as opposed to locking them in some room where that won't happen or something) you open up the possibility that they won't listen. If they don't, you get upset.
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Um, no? Again: What was wrong with eating that fruit?
 
As the story goes, God told her not to eat the fruit. **Chapuunka, confirm what I'm about so say please, or correct me, I'm not sure at all on this.**

If I'm interpreting the story correctly, eating the fruit would have given Eve the knowledge of what was good and what was evil. God told Eve not to eat it, and she did anyway. Why God wouldn't want her to, though, I can't fathom. Take this with a grain of salt though until I'm sure I'm not just grossly misinterpreting the relevant passages of the bible.

Edit: EnterPsuedonym: Good point.
 
That's really the problem there: God said no, but Adam and Eve ate the fruit anyway. I guess you can't sin if you don't know what sin is, so that was the issue.

Although I'm a long ways off from knowing everything about Christianity, so I'm not going to have an answer for everything. Go to your local church and ask someone that would know more if you really have an issue. And as I said before Internet and conversion don't really get along too well, so I'm just going to leave like I meant to before. I don't know why I got myself wrapped up in this again...
 
Anonymous said:
As the story goes, God told her not to eat the fruit. **Chapuunka, confirm what I'm about so say please, or correct me, I'm not sure at all on this.**

If I'm interpreting the story correctly, eating the fruit would have given Eve the knowledge of what was good and what was evil. God told Eve not to eat it, and she did anyway. Why God wouldn't want her to, though, I can't fathom. Take this with a grain of salt though until I'm sure I'm not just grossly misinterpreting the relevant passages of the bible.

Edit: EnterPsuedonym: Good point.
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My first post?

Anyway IF Eve didn't know right from wrong before she ate the apple, how can "god" justify punishing mankind for the flaws he knowingly made man with?

Thats all from me for now as i'm in the process of changing to Dvorak
 
Anonymous said:
As the story goes, God told her not to eat the fruit.
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Yeah, I got that. But "because I say so" is never a justification for a rule. Yes, if I had a child I might tell it to not touch a hot plate or to not put a plastic bag over its head or to not throw a knife at me and stuff like that. And there are good reasons for that which I'd most certainly explain along with the rule. Hence I still want to know what was wrong or bad with eating that fruit.

Anonymous said:
If I'm interpreting the story correctly, eating the fruit would have given Eve the knowledge of what was good and what was evil.
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So... expanding knowledge is something bad now?
 
StefanPochmann said:
Anonymous said:
As the story goes, God told her not to eat the fruit.
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Yeah, I got that. But "because I say so" is never a justification for a rule. Yes, if I had a child I might tell it to not touch a hot plate or to not put a plastic bag over its head or to not throw a knife at me and stuff like that. And there are good reasons for that which I'd most certainly explain along with the rule. Hence I still want to know what was wrong or bad with eating that fruit.

Anonymous said:
If I'm interpreting the story correctly, eating the fruit would have given Eve the knowledge of what was good and what was evil.
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So... expanding knowledge is something bad now?
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I'm with you. I don't believe in any God, and personally find the idea of faith in general (belief in something despite any and all proof against it) to be rather detrimental to society.

@EnterPsuedonym: No, your point about Pascal's Wager being dumb.

Chapuunka: Is this what you mean by "again"? (Not being judgemental, just curious)
http://www.speedsolving.com/forum/showthread.php?t=21243&page=11
 
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Honestly I don't see a fathomable reason why we couldn't put that into our signature. If you think that because someone shows their religion, they think they are better than you, we should stop putting times in our signature too. Maybe we should stop timing all together. If someone knows how to solve in a minute and sees Faz (just an example, it could be anyone) setting a WR at 8.5x seconds on average of 5, or Erik (again, could be anyone) having a 7.08 single, they could easily get discouraged and think that they will never be that good.

About the religious debate, I have my own beliefs and honestly don't care about the religion anyone else chooses, as it is simply a personal choice.
 
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