Knock Off Puzzles

[brunson]

I had to delete a few posts. At the personal request of Panagiotis Verdes to PJK, discussions of patent infringing clones of Verdes products will not be discussed here. When the patent expires, the discussion may commence.

 

[Ethan Rosen]

Ahh yes, because censorship of an entire topic is clearly better than allowing people to be informed. That's definitely going to help new people know what to avoid.

 

[gibsonguitarist55]

look at this
fisher cubes have been copied and built by people other than tony fisher
and they sell it for a profit
kinda sounds like a broken patent to me
and what some of tyou dont get is that ko puzzles have pros and cons
but because verdes made the 5x5, 6x6, and 7x7 doesnt mean china cant copy
sure its breaking patent but theres difference in each of the puzzles they copy

 

[V-te]

Ahh yes, because censorship of an entire topic is clearly better than allowing people to be informed. That's definitely going to help new people know what to avoid.

Yeah, We live in a world where we must discuss """appropriate""" topics. What if it's a serious topic? Ignore it, or don't talk about it. This is why abortion and gay marriage haven't been solved yet. There is a simple answer, but no one wants to listen, and the ones in power don't want them to be heard.

 

[ShahaK]

I think that the fact that we have KOs is really good, In Hebrew we have a really old saying "קנאת סופרים תרבה חוכמה", I'll try and translate it, it would be somehing like "The envy of writers proliferates wisdom." which can be undestood as: the competition makes people go lear and improve.
So that competiton between the KOs people and the original cube is actually good for us.

And I think that the fact that people who are interested in cubing are buying chinese KO should turnon a red light to the rubik's brand guys.
and the fact that we can but BETTER cubes CHEAPER is a disgrace to the rubik's brand company.

 

[panyan]

This is why abortion and gay marriage haven't been solved yet. There is a simple answer, but no one wants to listen

i hope you just phrased that badly, becuase it sounds as though you want some kind of extermination and i think your trying to say the exact opposite.

*hoping he phrased that badly*

 

[ottothedog]

is this an f ii knock off: http://www.popbuying.com/detail.pb/sku.3x3x3_SE_DIY_Magic_Cube_2n_Gen_White-29961

 

[CubesOfTheWorld]

is this an f ii knock off: http://www.popbuying.com/detail.pb/sku.3x3x3_SE_DIY_Magic_Cube_2n_Gen_White-29961

No it's not. SE is Sheng-En. The 2nd generation of the Sheng-En cubes is the F-II. Popbuying just has confusing names.

EDIT: F-II is not DIY. It is probably still the exact same cube, but Popbuying disassembled it.

 

[JeffDelucia]

is this an f ii knock off: http://www.popbuying.com/detail.pb/sku.3x3x3_SE_DIY_Magic_Cube_2n_Gen_White-29961

no

 

[JeffDelucia]

I had to delete a few posts. At the personal request of Panagiotis Verdes to PJK, discussions of patent infringing clones of Verdes products will not be discussed here. When the patent expires, the discussion may commence.

Lmao does that mean I can't say "I support v-cube knockoffs" for like 20 years on this forum?

Sorry for the double post...

 

[Boxcarcrzy12]

is this an f ii knock off: http://www.popbuying.com/detail.pb/sku.3x3x3_SE_DIY_Magic_Cube_2n_Gen_White-29961

No it's not. SE is Sheng-En. The 2nd generation of the Sheng-En cubes is the F-II. Popbuying just has confusing names.

EDIT: F-II is not DIY. It is probably still the exact same cube, but Popbuying disassembled it.

No the edges on an FII are different, as are the caps and the core isnt like "cone" shaped

 

[JeffDelucia]

is this an f ii knock off: http://www.popbuying.com/detail.pb/sku.3x3x3_SE_DIY_Magic_Cube_2n_Gen_White-29961

No it's not. SE is Sheng-En. The 2nd generation of the Sheng-En cubes is the F-II. Popbuying just has confusing names.

EDIT: F-II is not DIY. It is probably still the exact same cube, but Popbuying disassembled it.

No the edges on an FII are different, as are the caps and the core isnt like "cone" shaped

looks like a type f-I

 

[miniGOINGS]

Wow guys.

This question has been answered quite a bit, and yet still nobody can answer it correctly.

That cube is a knock-off of a knock-off of the original Type F.

 

[daniel0731ex]

is this an f ii knock off: http://www.popbuying.com/detail.pb/sku.3x3x3_SE_DIY_Magic_Cube_2n_Gen_White-29961

actually, it's a FI knockoff.

http://www.speedsolving.com/forum/showthread.php?p=396059#post396059

Wow guys.

This question has been answered quite a bit, and yet still nobody can answer it correctly.

That cube is a knock-off of a knock-off of the original Type F.

umm actually, it's only the first round knockoff (夢幻魔方, not the 国佳)....it was my bad, i was the one who mis-identified it in the first place.

 

[Gurplex2]

I tried posting this on twistypuzzles.com, but they're really sensitive to knock offs & I got very little response. Anyway, since cubeforyou.com is such a popular site, I feel I should address the KO puzzles on there. You may think that this will only increase interest in this puzzles & do more harm the good. But I've recently advertised cubeforyou.com & a few a it's puzzles in a recent video. So anyone who saw that video will go to the website & see the KO's. So it seems the "harm" has already taken place. Now it's time for the "good"!

I want to make a video telling people what puzzles are KO's on cubeforyou, because I'm sure there are a lot of newbies that just don't know, & wouldn't buy them if they didn't know the harm. Then I'll explain the harm that it does buying a KO.

Now, I know some of the KO puzzles, but I want to get all the information, such as:
1) the KO puzzle.
2) explanation that it's a KO.
3) where the puzzle SHOULD be bought.
This is where you guys come in. If you guys can answer these questions for as many puzzles as possible on cubeforyou, that'll be great!

But don't worry, I don't plan to address KO's such as the V-Cube KO's. Since many cubers probably haven't even been to the website where they're sold (me for one) I won't address them. I'll just say to only buy it if it has a "V" logo!

- Thanks!

What happens in 5 years or whatever when the patent expires? Will you just stfu already?

 

[splinteh]

I bet everyone here on the forum has at least a few "China made" Speedcubes. And prefer them over regular Rubik's brand products.

 

[miniGOINGS]

Daniel, that would explain the weird shape of the core then...

 

[daniel0731ex]

Daniel, that would explain the weird shape of the core then...

umm no, both of these two knockoffs have the same shape of cores.

The ONLY difference between these two is the shape of the spring column.
(the 夢幻魔方 is square shaped, just like the original F; the 国佳 is round like normal cubes.)


and the 夢幻魔方 have longer springs (im not sure about this one.)

 

[brunson]

I bet everyone here on the forum has at least a few "China made" Speedcubes. And prefer them over regular Rubik's brand products.

It's been discussed. The patent on the original Rubik's mechanism has expired. The patent on the V-Cube mechanism is still in effect.

 

[daniel0731ex]

I bet everyone here on the forum has at least a few "China made" Speedcubes. And prefer them over regular Rubik's brand products.

It's been discussed. The patent on the original Rubik's mechanism has expired. The patent on the V-Cube mechanism is still in effect.

TRANSLATION:

Rubik's already got a ton of money from his toy, but poor Verdes just started his business and already he's going bankrupt

we should buy moar V-Cubes to support him!! (went to popbuying and ordered a YJ cube)