Help with easy PLLs and OLLs

[badmephisto]

Hello everyone,
I'm in process of reviewing all my OLLs and PLLs, and I'm looking for suggestions on which algs to improve. I'd like the primary focus to be on easiness of remembering, rather then on speed (as long as it is a reasonable trade off)

My current versions I'm considering are here:

http://badmephisto.com/pllpagecompact.php
http://badmephisto.com/ollpagecompact.php

I'd appreciate if some people scanned through them and suggested maybe some modifications, if you know of easier versions. (Or give me link if you think some particular list of OLLs/PLLs is REALLY good, in terms of memory work)

Thanks,
-meph


PS: I was a little sad to see that the wiki OLLPLL page is now in favor of quantity rather than quality

 

[Muesli]

Hmm. Are the pages easily printed?

 

[jiggy]

Hi Meph, welcome back! For case 44 (on the OLL page of your site) I always preferred

(r U R' U') M (U R U' R')

It's the inverse of your case 17 and has a very nice flow to it. Obviously, the M could be swapped out for a R r' the user wanted.

Good to see you cubing again, I was starting to think you had decided to stop.

EDIT:

PLL:

Z-Perm: (R U R' U) (R' U' R' U) (R U' R' U') R2 U R
For J(a), why not mirror J(b)?

OLL: (not including set-ups)

44: (r U R' U') M (U R U' R')
54: [F (R U R' U') F'] U2 (R U R' U') (R' F R F')_____[This is basically case 1, U2, followed by case 20. Two very easy cases, easy to remember]
55: [F' (L' U' L U) F] (R U R' U') (R' F R F')________[Very similar to the above, with no U2 in the middle]

(I'll keep adding to this post as I think of them.)

 

[Reptile]

I LOVE YOU BADMEPHISTO!

 

[eastamazonantidote]

I have a few suggestions for your PLLs:

If you're going to make one of the N PLLs the <R,U,L> alg, why not make the second one the mirror of it. {(L U' R) U2 (L' U R')} {(L U' R) U2 (L' U R')} U.

Why not make the second J permutation [L' U' L F] {[L' U' L U] [L F'] [L2 U L] U}? I'm a fan of [L U' R'] [U L' U2] [R U'] [R' U2 R] for this J and [R U2 R'] [U' R U2] [L' U R'] [U' L] for the other. The shortness of the alg makes it fast and easy to remember.

I think that the x' [R U' R' D] [R U R' D'] [R U R' D] [R U' R' D'] E permutation is more easily memorizable and can be very fast.

Maybe make the U PLLs <M,U> or at least give both options. For the record, they are: M2 U M U2 M' U M2 and M2 U' M U2 M' U' M2.

 

[4Chan]

I was a little sad to see that the wiki OLLPLL page is now in favor of quantity rather than quality

How true indeed.

 

[Toad]

For the V and F perms I've always found it much more helpful to view the "d" as "U y" because that's where it falls naturally to regrip... Just a thought...

 

[Carson]

R's and J's as mirrors make memorization a lot easier. Whether these are the fastest algs is certainly debatable, but I like them.

• J.a - [R' U L'] [U2 R U' R' U2] [R L U']
• J.b - [L U' R'] [U2' L' U L U2'] [L' R' U]
• R.a - [L U2 L' U2] [L F'] [L' U' L U] [L F] L2' U
• R.b - [R' U2' R U2'] [R' F] [R U R' U'] [R' F'] R2 U'

 

[oprah62]

Vperm = R' U R' U' y R' F' R2 U' R' U R' F R F
e perm = R2 U R' U' y (RUR'U') x2 R U R' y'R U' R2
f perm =R U R' U' R' U R U2 L' R' U R U' L U' R U' R'
n(left side switch) = L U' L' y' JPERM(RIGHT) F U' F'

 

[chavak]

OLL is tough to memorize, I was wondering, isn't it better to solve upto a known trigger level, rather than completely solve it. By doing so you only have to memorize a short move followed by the trigger.

Just a thought!

 

[zgyfjch]

MY PLL10:
turn your cube Y2 then:
(R U'U')(R' U2)(R B' R' U')(R U R B R2' U)

MY PLL19:
(U R'U')(R U'R)(U R U')(R'U R U)(R2 U')(R'U)

MY PLL20:
turn your cube Y like this
-------- ------- -------
-- <---- ------- ---> --
-------- ------- -------
-------- ------- -------
-------- ------- -------
-- <---- ------- ---> --
-------- ------- -------
then
F'(r U R' U') (r' F R2) x’z RU’R’D’ (RUR’)

 

[Litz]

I learned all of your OLL/PLLs back when I was learning those, and I found them pretty easy to memorize. All the OLL cases were really easy until the last few, but I didn't really find good algs for the bad cases either so just leave them like that.

One suggestion though: To this day I still use all the OLL/PLLs I learned on your site, except one. I changed the E-perm to x' R U' R' D R U R' D' R U R' D R U' R' D'. The E-perm you had before wasn't that one though, but I don't like that one either. This one is fast and easy to memorize.

anyway, thanks for making those OLL/PLL pages. They were really helpful when I needed them.

 

[joey]

I was a little sad to see that the wiki OLLPLL page is now in favor of quantity rather than quality

How true indeed.

I think "quality" of an alg is really defined by the person using it, so I don't mind having lots of algs to pick from.

 

[riffz]

Honestly, if people are going to go to the trouble of learning all 57 OLLs I think they should just learn the ones that are fastest to execute. Having 2-look OLL algs that are easy to remember is one thing, but if you're going to learn them all then I think you're already taking cubing seriously enough to warrant having fast algs.

That's just my opinion as I learnt quite a few OLLs from your website and then had to relearn them later on as they weren't as fast as they could be. That's not to discredit you though, as I have learned a lot from your videos and website, so thank you for that!

 

[badmephisto]

Thanks everyone for suggestions I'll be reviewing all this.
I agree Litz, I'll be changing the E perm to that.

Joey: I'm not so sure I agree with this "everyone likes different algs" thing. Every case has at most 2 (MAX 3) algs that are fast and reasonable for 99% of population. Doing more than that is an unnecessary overkill that just wastes all of our time.

Riffz: I absolutely don't believe my algorithms to be slow. Can you point to the ones that you had to re-learn? I've made switches for the easier to remember alg if the two are not more than like 10% difference in speed , but I've never preferred a significantly slower algorithm just because it was easy. And if I did, I almost always mention the fast alternative.
Pfft

 

[riffz]

Riffz: I absolutely don't believe my algorithms to be slow. Can you point to the ones that you had to re-learn? I've made switches for the easier to remember alg if the two are not more than like 10% difference in speed , but I've never preferred a significantly slower algorithm just because it was easy. And if I did, I almost always mention the fast alternative.
Pfft

They're definitely not slow by any means. I never said that. I'm just of the opinion that its a much better idea to sort through a list yourself and choose what's best for you. But at the same time I understand that you're trying to simplify the list of algs for people so that this process is quicker.

 

[Zarlor]

Hi, I decided to sign up on the forums and stop lurking to make this post.

I recently started cubing (a few months now) after I learned how to solve via pogobat's YouTube videos (layer by layer). I then learned the Petrus method. I read about Fredrich, but I deem it too hardcore for me to try and memorize all that.

In the past few weeks I found out about the 2-look OLL and PLL methods which I didn't know about before. They seem like a good middle-ground for me. I can deal with memorizing that many algs. I then found badmephisto's wonderful charts which I printed out and refer to often.

I know this is the speedsolving forum, but I cube 100% for fun and not to get the absolute lowest time possible. I would like to be relatively quick about solving, but I do find great benefit in having easy to remember algs. It's more fun for me to do the long form of the blinker even though he has a faster alg underneath it. I'm more likely to remember it I think as well.

I just wanted to say thanks to badmephisto for making the sheets and I agree with the stance he takes on them. I'll be looking for your updated sheets to try out!

 

[spunkymp4]

I think Thrawst's page has the easiest N perms.

Na: L U' R U2 L' U R' L U' R U2 L' U R' U
Nb: L' U R' U2 L U' R L' U R' U2 L U' R

 

[choza244]

Wow nice to see that you haven´t stopped cubing, btw i´m new and all i learned was from your videos, thanks a lot.

Ok about the algs, i really didn´t like the N(b) perm, is very easy to remember but for me is not easy to execute, so i use this one, that i think has more flow lol.

y' R' U R U' R' F' U' F R U R' F R' F' R U' R

i think is easy to do and the memo is not hard

 

[jiggy]

I know this is the speedsolving forum, but I cube 100% for fun and not to get the absolute lowest time possible. I would like to be relatively quick about solving, but I do find great benefit in having easy to remember algs. It's more fun for me to do the long form of the blinker even though he has a faster alg underneath it. I'm more likely to remember it I think as well.

Welcome to the forums! This is completely off topic, but if you're in it for the fun I highly recommend Human Thistlethwaite. It's a really different method and I always have fun when I use it.
Here's a tutorial if you decide you're interested:
Part 1
Part 2