Poll: Opinion on Health Care Reform

[beingforitself]

I don't understand why people don't want to help the poor.

Believe it or not, there are more ways to help people besides a straight up handout.

Do tell your government-free method of providing universal healthcare.

 

[04mucklowd]

Its hardly communism

 

[iasimp1997]

Can someone explain to me why people think that National healthcare means Communism?

Government controlled healthcare.
Communism controls everything. Including financial institutes and stuff like that.

 

[masterofthebass]

Can someone explain to me why people think that National healthcare means Communism?

Government controlled healthcare.
Communism controls everything. Including financial institutes and stuff like that.

you do realize that the government has already controlled healthcare for quite a bit of time (at least for the elderly) and they all love it.

 

[endless_akatsuki]

Can someone explain to me why people think that National healthcare means Communism?

Government controlled healthcare.
Communism controls everything. Including financial institutes and stuff like that.

You seriously think that a government-controlled healthcare is gonna make us communist? Have you even gone to Europe?

You are incredibly closed-minded, and you have been corrupted by some real stupid politicians.

 

[SlapShot]

When medicare was instituted in 1965, they made cost projections for each year. For each year it never stayed within it's budget, some years by a factor of 10.

I don't believe the CBO numbers. It will never stay within it's budget, or reduce the deficit. More fudging the numbers to get people to agree with it.

37 states were supposed to be filing lawsuits today, because it is unconstitutional to make people take something against their will.

 

[Stini]

Stupid.
Government did the vote on a Sunday to prevent riots and protests, and, also, to get the bill passed quicker and easier. In other words, they're shoving **** down our throats.

If our country turns into a communist country, there are gonna be some major problems.
Communism promises food, money, all that stuff. No matter how much work is done. This is one of the major flaws in communism. If you get food and money no matter how much work you do, then people will eventually do less and less work. This is kind of obvious. But that's what would happen if America were to turn communist. Hell, if the whole world was communist, there wouldn't be that much of anything. INCLUDING CUBES!!!!!11eleven
Also, government controls basically everything, so communism = sadface.

http://ucatlas.ucsc.edu/health/spend/cost_longlife75.gif

You don't think there's something wrong with your health care? Look at for example Cuba, which is a communist country and according to some sources they even have longer life expectancy than US citizens. Also countries like Sweden, Norway and Finland are quite socialist countries and they have long life expectancy with mediocre health care costs.

If you think about it a bit, the primary motivation of private companies is to make money and not what's best for people. In my opinion some institutions are good to be controlled by the government to ensure that the goal of those institutions is to help people and not just make money. One example of this is private prisons - the US has the most prisoners in the world so private prison industry is a huge business. Obviously the motivation of private prisons is not to make prisoners good citizens, but to keep people locked up as cheaply as possibly (not spending much money on health care of the prisoners or anything "irrelevant" like that) so that they make more profit. Private prisons actually make more money the more there are prisoners, so they spend a lot of money each election cycle to influence the justice policies to their benefit (to put more people in jail so to speak).

Oh btw, I'm sure most of your cubes are from the communist China.

 

[eastamazonantidote]

Hmm, why is communism bad? Well, if you glance at any historical attempt at communism, you'll see why. They always end in utter failure, or continue in abysmal situations.
Why do you buy Rubik's cubes, can't that money go to save a child in Africa, are you that selfish?? Of course you are, like everyone else, we have personal interests and communism is a system that rejects meritocracy and personal striving, which creates an awful system.

The world has never experienced true communism, only Leninism and socialism. Skipping over the capitalist part and the proletariat revolution is a HUGE part of making communism succeed. Cuba is the notable exception, but they rebelled out of necessity because the US was being an imperialist dickweed like it usually is. Communism in Cuba worked out very well.

My mom was born "communist" and Catholic in Yugoslavia. That system of government was one of the best she's ever lived in (in large part due to Tito) and there was never a point where the government came to take away people's selfish nature. They understood that people have these strange competitive urges.

Go to a youth hostel in Sweden and tell me communism is bad. Hell, just go the Sweden. One of the most desireable countries in the world to live in is *gasp* socialist. They maintain much of the free economy from capitalism's reign, but the country is truly a socialist place. In a communist country, the government expects work, yes, but they give back to the people an equal amount if not more than what they produced. That is the goal of communism and much of Europe is thriving on some healthcare system based on communism.

Anyway, great political site here: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/

Become informed (not claiming that I am).

 

[kunz]

Its hardly communism

i agree a bit socialist maybe but definitely not communism

 

[CuBeOrDiE]

Stupid.
Government did the vote on a Sunday to prevent riots and protests, and, also, to get the bill passed quicker and easier. In other words, they're shoving **** down our throats.

If our country turns into a communist country, there are gonna be some major problems.
Communism promises food, money, all that stuff. No matter how much work is done. This is one of the major flaws in communism. If you get food and money no matter how much work you do, then people will eventually do less and less work. This is kind of obvious. But that's what would happen if America were to turn communist. Hell, if the whole world was communist, there wouldn't be that much of anything. INCLUDING CUBES!!!!!11eleven
Also, government controls basically everything, so communism = sadface.

http://ucatlas.ucsc.edu/health/spend/cost_longlife75.gif

You don't think there's something wrong with your health care? Look at for example Cuba, which is a communist country and according to some sources they even have longer life expectancy than US citizens. Also countries like Sweden, Norway and Finland are quite socialist countries and they have long life expectancy with mediocre health care costs.

If you think about it a bit, the primary motivation of private companies is to make money and not what's best for people. In my opinion some institutions are good to be controlled by the government to ensure that the goal of those institutions is to help people and not just make money. One example of this is private prisons - the US has the most prisoners in the world so private prison industry is a huge business. Obviously the motivation of private prisons is not to make prisoners good citizens, but to keep people locked up as cheaply as possibly (not spending much money on health care of the prisoners or anything "irrelevant" like that) so that they make more profit. Private prisons actually make more money the more there are prisoners, so they spend a lot of money each election cycle to influence the justice policies to their benefit (to put more people in jail so to speak).

Oh btw, I'm sure most of your cubes are from the communist China.

1-sweden and all of those countries live longer BECAUSE THEY DON'T EAT 5000 HAMBURGERS EVERY DAY!!!! Not because of their helathcare. Also, when my dad broke his leg in Canada, he had to wait 7 YES 7 hours to simply SEE the doctor. AND he had a BONE STICKING OUT and blood all over the place. Great healthcare system, eh?

2-and all of those people in congress only care about their fat @$$e$. All of those pron-life democrats who were "AGAINST abortion" signed the bill. America isn't heading in the right direction. The people now what they like, and forcing this down their throats isn't a good idea.

I'm sorry, you're just wrong. :fp

 

[Muesli]

1-sweden and all of those countries live longer BECAUSE THEY DON'T EAT 5000 HAMBURGERS EVERY DAY!!!! Not because of their helathcare. Also, when my dad broke his leg in Canada, he had to wait 7 YES 7 hours to simply SEE the doctor. AND he had a BONE STICKING OUT and blood all over the place. Great healthcare system, eh?

2-and all of those people in congress only care about their fat @$$e$. All of those pron-life democrats who were "AGAINST abortion" signed the bill. America isn't heading in the right direction. The people now what they like, and forcing this down their throats isn't a good idea.

I'm sorry, you're just wrong. :fp

1: ********, I'm afraid to say. Nobody would be made to wait that long without treatment, especially with an open fracture in their leg. Exposed marrow leads to untreatable infections and amputations.

2: In your opinion.

 

[endless_akatsuki]

I'm sorry, you're just wrong. :fp

It's not for you to determine who is right or wrong, as these are opinions we're are talking about.

It's not wrong to think that National Healthcare is good or bad. It's debatable, but it's not a "you're just wrong" matter.

 

[CuBeOrDiE]

I'm sorry, you're just wrong. :fp

It's not for you to determine who is right or wrong, as these are opinions we're are talking about.

It's not wrong to think that National Healthcare is good or bad. It's debatable, but it's not a "you're just wrong" matter.

lol :fp

 

[Edmund]

Can someone explain to me why people think that National healthcare means Communism?

Government controlled healthcare.
Communism controls everything. Including financial institutes and stuff like that.

you do realize that the government has already controlled healthcare for quite a bit of time (at least for the elderly) and they all love it.

They love it cause it's not them paying for it, it's their children's taxes. That takes enough from taxes, do we really want to have to pay extreme taxes or increase the deficit so much more? No.

 

[CuBeOrDiE]

yup

 

[Muesli]

Can someone explain to me why people think that National healthcare means Communism?

Government controlled healthcare.
Communism controls everything. Including financial institutes and stuff like that.

you do realize that the government has already controlled healthcare for quite a bit of time (at least for the elderly) and they all love it.

They love it cause it's not them paying for it, it's their children's taxes. That takes enough from taxes, do we really want to have to pay extreme taxes or increase the deficit so much more? No.

If you broke your back in a car accident how much would it cost you to get treatment? What if you had to be fed through a straw for 2 months on a hospital ward?

I bet that would cost a hell of a lot more with your health insurance than a higher tax rate.

 

[CuBeOrDiE]

so? if its your fault its your problem. if its the drivers fault they should pay for it. people who work hard shouldn't pay for something that they aren't concerned in. honestly, that just takes incentive to work away from people. benjamin franklin once said something along these lines:

if you want people to get out of debt just let them fend for themselves

nowadays, its cool to have government pay for you or to get awards for participation or maybe to live on honest people's money. some people have strain from the right path. also, they want to legalise all illegs. and gay mariages too ? what's happening?!

 

[puzzlemaster]

I'm sorry, you're just wrong. :fp

It's not for you to determine who is right or wrong, as these are opinions we're are talking about.

It's not wrong to think that National Healthcare is good or bad. It's debatable, but it's not a "you're just wrong" matter.

lol :fp

I hope that facepalm was at yourself

 

[CuBeOrDiE]

you can just keep hoping then lol

 

[puzzlemaster]

you can just keep hoping then lol

Then you just proved how much of an idiot you are...you can't take a debatable topic and turn it in your favor and say nothing else goes.. That would be why it's a debate.