2009 Forum Awards!

Dene said:
Sure, but then again, you wouldn't see the best actress in the world ever winning a grammy (or is it an emmy? I don't really know or care). You would only see who was the best in this particular year, in a western country, who actually bothered to show themselves.

My point being, to be in the run for an award, you have to put yourself in the running (no pun intended). If the paraplegic didn't run, he wouldn't be in the running for the award (sorry about the run/running thing, again). shoot posts here, he even posted about his grammar, therefore he puts himself in the running.
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Exactly.
 
Dene said:
Sure, but then again, you wouldn't see the best actress in the world ever winning a grammy (or is it an emmy? I don't really know or care). You would only see who was the best in this particular year, in a western country, who actually bothered to show themselves.

My point being, to be in the run for an award, you have to put yourself in the running (no pun intended). If the paraplegic didn't run, he wouldn't be in the running for the award (sorry about the run/running thing, again). shoot posts here, he even posted about his grammar, therefore he puts himself in the running.
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So basically what you're saying is that when somebody joins this forum it is implicit that despite whatever disabilities one might have, you will not be excused for writing badly, and that is acceptable.
 
You don't HAVE to join speedsolving (there are other cubing communities out there, such as youtube and various chatrooms), and you don't HAVE to post tons of stuff without ever looking at it to make sure the grammar and spelling are reasonable. There are programs out there to check that kind of stuff. It is also not necessary to make on the order of 10-20 posts a day. If people have a problem with it, you can stop, right?

Besides, some people have excuses, and that's understood. If someone says they're from another country and that's why they're not so good at English, OK, great. We understand that they are trying. But there are some people who I really don't look like they're putting any effort in, and who don't even seem to understand that there's a problem. In that case, I don't have any problem with calling them on it. I wouldn't vote for someone in a wheelchair for worst runner, because their disability is obvious, but what if the worst runner is a really fat kid who's only fat because he eats 10000 calories a day? Is it still the result of a disability at that point?
 
qqwref said:
You don't HAVE to join speedsolving (there are other cubing communities out there, such as youtube and various chatrooms), and you don't HAVE to post tons of stuff without ever looking at it to make sure the grammar and spelling are reasonable. There are programs out there to check that kind of stuff. It is also not necessary to make on the order of 10-20 posts a day. If people have a problem with it, you can stop, right?

Besides, some people have excuses, and that's understood. If someone says they're from another country and that's why they're not so good at English, OK, great. We understand that they are trying. But there are some people who I really don't look like they're putting any effort in, and who don't even seem to understand that there's a problem. In that case, I don't have any problem with calling them on it. I wouldn't vote for someone in a wheelchair for worst runner, because their disability is obvious, but what if the worst runner is a really fat kid who's only fat because he eats 10000 calories a day? Is it still the result of a disability at that point?
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The point I'm trying to make is that any individual with a disability that prevents them (or makes it difficult for them) to post as coherently as the rest of us (should), should be excused from something that sets them apart as the worst at it.

The analogy was only intended as a way to describe it more simply. What we now seem to be discussing is the difference between laziness and disability.

Being fat =/= lazy; what if the kid has depression, or a personality disorder? Or if the reason he eats 10k calories a day is because his parents don't give a crap and leave loads of incredibly unhealthy food around the house all day for him?
 
I don't like having to disagree with you, Mr. Escher, but shoot has set himself up for this, whether he has a disability or not. As qqwref said, he has no need to post as much as he did; he could have tried harder (we have seen evidence of him using reasonable grammar (I can't find that anymore, but I can definitely recall it happening)); and he even asked us for help, which we gave him.
 
Dene said:
I don't like having to disagree with you, Mr. Escher, but shoot has set himself up for this, whether he has a disability or not. As qqwref said, he has no need to post as much as he did; he could have tried harder (we have seen evidence of him using reasonable grammar (I can't find that anymore, but I can definitely recall it happening)); and he even asked us for help, which we gave him.
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Ah well, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree... I would make a guess that the reason he posted so much was due to his disability, and I remember that when he did ask for help to improve his posts (and his posts did improve) he said that it took him an unreasonably long time to post very short things. Of course some of the things he said that were totally undecipherable should really have been deleted/edited/had more work done on in the first place.

At any rate, I'll just say I don't care anymore since this won't go anywhere :)
 
Escher said:
The point I'm trying to make is that any individual with a disability that prevents them (or makes it difficult for them) to post as coherently as the rest of us (should), should be excused from something that sets them apart as the worst at it.
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Disability is not a yes/no thing, though. You could easily imagine two people who have the same post quality, but where one is smart and lazy the other has trouble with grammar but tries hard. You could also imagine two people who has the same post quality, where one has some trouble but doesn't try, and another has a huge amount of trouble but tries. I guess what I'm saying is that just having trouble with something is not an automatic 'get out of jail free' card against being the worst at it... if you're the worst because you don't try, and not just because of your disability, you can still deserve to be labeled as such. Just because you are bad at something does not mean you are unable to improve.
 
qqwref said:
Escher said:
The point I'm trying to make is that any individual with a disability that prevents them (or makes it difficult for them) to post as coherently as the rest of us (should), should be excused from something that sets them apart as the worst at it.
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Disability is not a yes/no thing, though. You could easily imagine two people who have the same post quality, but where one is smart and lazy the other has trouble with grammar but tries hard. You could also imagine two people who has the same post quality, where one has some trouble but doesn't try, and another has a huge amount of trouble but tries. I guess what I'm saying is that just having trouble with something is not an automatic 'get out of jail free' card against being the worst at it... if you're the worst because you don't try, and not just because of your disability, you can still deserve to be labeled as such. Just because you are bad at something does not mean you are unable to improve.
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Yes, that's very true, and I think that that topic goes way beyond the scope of this particular thread :P
I guess I'm just trying to fill a void in that many were nominating Shoot and few were defending him/raising the issue of his disability properly.

Still, in this individual case I'd still give Shoot a 'get out of jail free' card, since even after he did begin trying some of his posts were still incoherent... (what I'm really trying to say is that imo 'worst' = 'laziest', not what it seems to be becoming as 'least able').
And hey, I was supposed to be attempting to leave this discussion :P
 
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qqwref said:
Escher said:
The point I'm trying to make is that any individual with a disability that prevents them (or makes it difficult for them) to post as coherently as the rest of us (should), should be excused from something that sets them apart as the worst at it.
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Disability is not a yes/no thing, though. You could easily imagine two people who have the same post quality, but where one is smart and lazy the other has trouble with grammar but tries hard. You could also imagine two people who has the same post quality, where one has some trouble but doesn't try, and another has a huge amount of trouble but tries. I guess what I'm saying is that just having trouble with something is not an automatic 'get out of jail free' card against being the worst at it... if you're the worst because you don't try, and not just because of your disability, you can still deserve to be labeled as such. Just because you are bad at something does not mean you are unable to improve.
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The worst grammar award should go to someone who doesn't attempt to use proper grammar. It is ridiculous to say that someone who tries and has serious difficulty writing properly should be singled out over someone who simply doesn't care. You don't give the award for the most immature to someone who's disability won't let their brain age past 5. Give the award to me for all I care, but don't give it to someone who spends 30 minutes checking a post, but still doesn't understand past tense.
 
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