Conjugated PLLs

[Swordsman Kirby]

Here's one I use from Stefan's page:

V perm --- R' U R' d' R' F' R2 U' R' U R' F R F
Found with ACube, don't remember how.

F perm --- R' U2 R' d' R' F' R2 U' R' U R' F R U' F
Built from my V perm alg with setup moves (R' U R). I have seen many different V perms with the same start (R' U R U') so go ahead and try converting it to an F perm like this as well, the cancellations at start are good and maybe you can cancel something at the end, too.

 

[cmhardw]

Lucas I am about 0.75 second faster on the F perm just by using this conjugated T perm alg! Thank you!

I also kinda like the alg Stefan posted about using the inverted sexy move for the E perm. I am a big fan now of Erik's E perm, but I'll try this one out too.

--edit--
I want to try this again at home, I practiced a bit on the cube we have at the center here and got 2.28 for a fastest single (on a somewhat tightly tuned type A). Can't wait to get home and see if I can sub-2 this at home on my good type C. Thanks Lucas, I would never have thought to do this PLL this way! I like this alg!

Chris

 

[jfly]

Jeremy showed me this F perm a while ago. I think it's amazing how the corner orientation is preserved. I don't know where he learned it though.

Arnaud showed me this F perm a while ago. I think it's amazing how the corner orientation is preserved. I don't know where he learned it though.

 

[cmhardw]

Do you understand why corner orientation is preserved? Think of which sticker of which corner swaps with which sticker of the other corner. Do the setup turn at the start, the R' U' F' and see which stickers are swapped by the T perm. Now undo the setup and see if swapping those same two stickers on the corners would leave them correctly oriented with regards to the other LL pieces.

It's neat, yes, that corner orientation is preserved. Does it make sense why? This kind of thinking, about sticker cycles, is very common for BLD as well, so you can think of it like BLD cubing also.

Chris

 

[PatrickT]

Do you understand why corner orientation is preserved? Think of which sticker of which corner swaps with which sticker of the other corner. Do the setup turn at the start, the R' U' F' and see which stickers are swapped by the T perm. Now undo the setup and see if swapping those same two stickers on the corners would leave them correctly oriented with regards to the other LL pieces.

It's neat, yes, that corner orientation is preserved. Does it make sense why? This kind of thinking, about sticker cycles, is very common for BLD as well, so you can think of it like BLD cubing also.

Chris

Yes, tracing the sticker cycles is very interesting and useful for BLD. I was very proud of myself when during a solve, I came up with a way to switch the UFR and DFR corners as well as the UBL and DBL corners. I did B', (RUR'U')x3, B

I used to do (RUR'U')x3, (L'U'LU) x3 to permute four corners (I guess to do the same as above, I'd use an L2 set up move), until I realized that the UBR and UBL stickers were swapping back and forth with each x3 triggers.

These types of techniques are really something cool.

 

[James Ludlow]

M2D2M2(Yperm)M2D2M2 or M2u2M2(Yperm)M2u2M2. First swaps UF/UL, second swaps UR/UB.

 

[Zubon]

Speaking of Erik's E-Perm, does anyone do it this way?

(R'URD') (R'U'RD) (R'U'RD') (R'URD)

This way I don't need to do a re-grip when doing the D turns.

 

[gylve]

M2D2M2(Yperm)M2D2M2 or M2u2M2(Yperm)M2u2M2. First swaps UF/UL, second swaps UR/UB.

Or use V-perm + a cube rotation.

 

[James Ludlow]

M2D2M2(Yperm)M2D2M2 or M2u2M2(Yperm)M2u2M2. First swaps UF/UL, second swaps UR/UB.

Or use V-perm + a cube rotation.

That is what I use for a Vperm at the moment. I'm still learning full pll.

 

[JTW2007]

Lucas, I adjusted your E Perm a bit because I like inverted sexy moves

R2 U R' y R U' R' U R U' R' U R U' R' U y' R U' R2

I like that.

 

[iSpinz]

Lucas, I adjusted your E Perm a bit because I like inverted sexy moves

R2 U R' y R U' R' U R U' R' U R U' R' U y' R U' R2

I like that.

Awesome! 15/21 PLL's for me!

 

[KubeKid73]

I love this thread! I found easier F, V, E, and N (a) Perms and Headlights OLL (Which I still haven't learned yet. ) and I'm going to learn them instead.

 

[deepSubDiver]

M D2 M (Y-Perm) M' D2 M'

 

[LNZ]

I tried the following: B' (T-Perm) B on a solved 3x3 cube and I got a UFR to UFB corner cubie swap and a LU to RU edge cubie swap.

B X X
C X D
X X A

Swap A and B and C and D

 

[KubeKid73]

I tried the following: B' (T-Perm) B on a solved 3x3 cube and I got a UFR to UFB corner cubie swap and a LU to RU edge cubie swap.

B X X
C X D
X X A

Swap A and B and C and D

That messes up the orientation of A and B. If you want to keep the orientation, use L' D' L B (T-Perm) B' L' D L. Now I have a new N-Perm B.

 

[PhillipEspinoza]

What about the modification of the N-perm to make a decent F-perm?

N-perm: (R' U R U') (R' F' U' F) (R U R' F R' F R U' R)

F-perm: (R' U R U') (R2 F' U' F) U (R F R' F' R2 U')

 

[KubeKid73]

I found a better J-Perm A, not the one that moves the end of the T-Perm to the beginning, the other J-Perm.
R D' F' (Y-Perm) F D R'.
I also found ones for the R-Perms, but the setup moves are really long, so I'm not sure how effective it would be to learn them instead.
R- Perm A:
B' D' B D L' D L (Y-Perm) L' D' L D' B' D B
B:
F' D' F D' L' D L (Y-Perm) L' D' L D F' D F

 

[fanwuq]

What about the modification of the N-perm to make a decent F-perm?

N-perm: (R' U R U') (R' F' U' F) (R U R' F R' F R U' R)

F-perm: (R' U R U') (R2 F' U' F) U (R F R' F' R2 U')

That's interesting. Was the alg really discovered that way? (I thought that F perm came before that N perm?)

 

[Deleted member 4527]

I think I just found my F perm

 

[adimare]

Yesterday I came up with this J perm conjugate for the N perm.

R U R' U R U R' F' R U R' U' R' F R2 U' R' U2 R U' R'

It's just:

R U R' U (J perm) U' R U' R'

A bit long, but it flows nicely.

Edit: self :fp, I just saw dbax0999's post