# [Help Thread]Solving 5x5 LBL using commutators, how would I figure out what commutator to use?

#### caters

##### Member
Hi, I’m back after a very long hiatus from the forum. I’m thinking of posting pictures of my cube collection

So, I’m very familiar with the reduction method, it’s my default for 4x4 and up. But I thought of solving my 5x5, which turns much more smoothly than my smaller cubes, using a LBL(layer by layer) method. I could figure out the first layer intuitively, but now, I’m in the sea of commutators that is the middle 3 layers. I figured that I would be doing something like this for each layer:

1. Center pieces of the layer if I don’t have it already
2. Inner edge pieces of the layer
3. Outer edge pieces of the layer
I did the first layer in such a way that I already have the center of the second layer on each of the 4 sides, but I know that I won’t always be in the position of already having the center of the layer done. I’m trying to get the inner edge pieces of the second layer in place, but I can’t seem to figure out which commutators to do or if I need conjugates. I understand the concept of commutators and conjugates, but can’t figure out how to execute it basically. I think I need more than just in depth videos to figure this out. Here’s my 5x5 as it is now with the first layer solved intuitively:

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